[CPEX] Hakumen Gameplay Discussion

[Sophisticat]

Kind of reminds me of Guilty Gear. :3

GG doesn't have horrible flashy FX and colours more fitting of... I ain't gonna say because that's offensive. :<

Maybe it's comparable in speed now, but GG it ain't. *Drops BB for GG*

[mAc Chaos]

I do feel like all the menu stuff, the music and SFX are more "game"-y if that makes sense.

[Mucky]

No matter, I just caught a vid and I don't like what I'm seeing of CP. Shit looks gay.

it sounds gay too, all them slapping noises are reminiscent of gay wrestling films

[mAc Chaos]

mucky would know

[Mucky]

mucky would know

why do you think I play grappling characters

[BladeOfJustice7]

Isuna, I hope you're making a CP Hakumen playlist, so I can scumbag it off of you, like a true escumbag. In before mAc says I'm the only Hakumen scumbag, because I called myself an e-scumbag.

EDIT: Anyone say anything bad about GG, I will personally find where you live and give you a flaming suplex.

And yes, I think I saw the 6b combo as well. His meter gain is off the charts. I'm kinda liking it, now I can mash kishuu. Everyday. All day. All the time.

#RIP6D

Edited November 21, 2012 by BladeOfJustice7

[Mightfo]

so apparently throw range was cut in half like in location tests. does this mean 2a throw still whiffs like in location tests? how will haku open up players with good defense? imo tsubaki and zantetsu dont really cut it against those sorts of players. 6b kind of does but doesnt really lead into damage, although i guess with CH it does now? if you can get a fuzzy going that will help, but..

[Sophisticat]

Now what's that sort of new command-grab-looking-ish move he's got? Was it ever mentioned in the notes? It looks cool at least...

[Mightfo]

Now what's that sort of new command-grab-looking-ish move he's got? Was it ever mentioned in the notes? It looks cool at least...

video/timestamp?

[Kriegdrache]

it sounds gay too, all them slapping noises are reminiscent of gay wrestling films

Gayblue: Chrono Fagtasma

Im not a huge fan of the new sound effects but the new theme remixes are rad as hell.

Also that new command grab like move is probably his crush trigger, which looks cool.

[mAc Chaos]

Eh, the meter gain is high but the combos don't really let you capitalize off it... at least yet, but it's not like Haku has secret hidden gatlings and stuff. We'll see. I almost feel like they just want me to spam naked Tsubaki and Renka like the CPU Boss Hakumen and get my damage off that. Awwwright~

What feels weird watching these is how as a defensive character with a special defensive drive he's supposed to use that instead of just normal defensive options but instead he has to rely on the same system tools that everybody else does. I mean, you should be blocking anyway but it's almost like they don't want you to use it.

You can get pretty far just by smacking people with random j.C's though. That doesn't cut it after a certain point.

I'm just putting down random thoughts. :P

EDIT: It took me a while to realize the one song I kind of liked listening to so far was the Susanooh remix. It definitely sounds different but I could pick up the similarities.

[BladeOfJustice7]

so apparently throw range was cut in half like in location tests. does this mean 2a throw still whiffs like in location tests? how will haku open up players with good defense? imo tsubaki and zantetsu dont really cut it against those sorts of players. 6b kind of does but doesnt really lead into damage, although i guess with CH it does now? if you can get a fuzzy going that will help, but..

First off, why are you posting here? Are you going to sub/main hakumanz :3

Secondly, he has stars out the ass, so in theory usually he should have some sort of pressure tools when he's on offense. Also 6b looks comboable even without CH, so he has SOME tools both in theory and in practice. Also an increased hop speed should, in theory make it easier to hop grab before you get mashed out of your pressure. So we'll see, but for now, I think he might have better pressure than his previous iterations.

[mAc Chaos]

First off, why are you posting here? Are you going to sub/main hakumanz :3

Let the man post, we accept all comers.

I think you definitely would want to be more on offense this time around since his defense got weaker.

Hm, but with the Hotaru nerf and 2A tick throw nerf offense got weaker too. I guess we'll see how it balances out against other characters and their own changes.

[Mightfo]

Eh, the meter gain is high but the combos don't really let you capitalize off it... at least yet, but it's not like Haku has secret hidden gatlings and stuff. We'll see. I almost feel like they just want me to spam naked Tsubaki and Renka like the CPU Boss Hakumen and get my damage off that. Awwwright~

that's true but at least more meter gives him better pressure options to make them not want to jump or hit buttons, more yukikaze(helps make up for normal parry nerfs? did yuki get nerfed?) and stuff like double zantetsu sounds a bit promising

also fast meter gain essentially means you have a really cheap rapid cancel. i know that traditionally doesnt have much of a point, but there may be good uses for that, perhaps a way to set up solid mixups(rapid move with a lot of blockstun, then...?)

First off, why are you posting here? Are you going to sub/main hakumanz :3

no but i am just interested in how all the characters are changing in bbcp, im interested in the effects of general changes like the throw range thing on specific charas, and dioxide is my friend and i fight her all the time so i should pay attention to haku lol. also honestly, his improved movement and meter and blockable parries make me a lot more excited at the matchup.(oki works but i have to deal with a stronger neutral aside from damage, sounds fun imo.)

Edited November 21, 2012 by Mightfo

[Sechs]

Now what's that sort of new command-grab-looking-ish move he's got? Was it ever mentioned in the notes? It looks cool at least...

I thought that was Hakumen's crush trigger.

EDIT: Oh, well. Looks hype nevertheless.

Edited November 21, 2012 by Sechs

[BladeOfJustice7]

What feels weird watching these is how as a defensive character with a special defensive drive he's supposed to use that instead of just normal defensive options but instead he has to rely on the same system tools that everybody else does. I mean, you should be blocking anyway but it's almost like they don't want you to use it.

Not trying to be a dick, but I feel that's the case. I mean we have no tools to punish obvious pressure strings, our drive it made to punish stupid things, and now things like obvious 6bs from Ragna and 6a gatling pressure from Tager just has to be blocked. I mean yes you're not supposed to rely on counters, because you'll die and your defense should only be supplemented by counters and not the other way around. But each iteration his counters get weaker and weaker, now you can't even combo off of them lol. The only thing I like gameplay wise for Hakumen is his INSANE meter gain, I'm hoping his still has crazy damage potential off of those stars.

[floatwater]

Let the man post, we accept all comers.

I think you definitely would want to be more on offense this time around since his defense got weaker.

Hm, but with the Hotaru nerf and 2A tick throw nerf offense got weaker too. I guess we'll see how it balances out against other characters and their own changes.

2B tick throw is still viable. the game moves at a much faster pace, his rushdown options don't look bad either like that IAD mid air kick shenanigans.

EDIT:

>9gag images

and this is why we can't have nice things.

INFRACT ME B.R.O

[Mightfo]

2B tick throw is still viable.

wait..2a tick throw whiffs but 2b tick throw works even though that has more pushback?

[Sophisticat]

video/timestamp?

Around 15:25 in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snExQuqJvQk

[Kriegdrache]

Im sure someone will discover SICK HAKUMEN TECH in about a week or so.

And yeah that is his CT. Note that it eats 2 stars when he uses it.

Edited November 21, 2012 by Kriegdrache

[floatwater]

2B doesn't have THAT bad of a pushback. the grab box is still pretty ridiculous

[mAc Chaos]

j.C wallstick is just weird but good. Sticks for a pretty long time.

[mAc Chaos]

The other thing that jumped out at me is it's going to be murder retraining my reflexes not to try and counter at the same times I did before. I hope it doesn't mess it up too much if they end up changing it back in the version after CP.

[Kriegdrache]

Unmap your D-button!

It's the only solution.

[Sophisticat]

Im sure someone will discover SICK HAKUMEN TECH in about a week or so.

And yeah that is his CT. Note that it eats 2 stars when he uses it.

... What's a crush trigger? Looks cool whatever the case.

2b's recovery is now pretty apparent, forget pushback.

j.C wallstick is gdlk. I like it. Very visually appealing.