A.X.I.S. Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 Dacid its dustloop what do you expect? Besides they never said 2C[M] was unsafe, they just said it can't be used for starting combo's anymore.
Dacidbro Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 People were saying it sounds unsafe on hit. I mean, it should be obvious a mix up tool wouldn't be, but..
HiagoX Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 Litchi's 6B wallbounces, j.C (I hope it's j.C and not jump cancel) is restricted to the end of the screen (don't know what this means for Litchi players) That probably means that j.C will only wallbounce at the corner, like many moves now.
Michi Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 (edited) New post. ツバキD翼上段化 ライチ6Bはガードすると異様にヒットストップ長い、空中の敵に当たると通常でも壁バウンド Edit: ライチ前投げがきりもみヨロケに マコトの2Aが猫歩きにヒット バング大噴火硬直長く追撃いけなく μのツルギバウンドは画面端限定でJ2Cは受身取れませんでした、ごめんなさい マコト裏周り硬直減 マコトJ2Cのレベル減少 それでも強い マコトビッグバンの発生やや遅く それでも強い あと全キャラ攻撃系CAの隙が増えてて少し使い辛くなった Edited November 17, 2010 by Michi
TD Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 Litchi still has an overhead. She's not even supposed to be a mixup character. Anyway, looks like they're nerfing her starters, but not actual combos. Still ridiculous heat gain probably, but she'll be fine... hopefully ._. The fact that she must take more risks and less mixup reminds me of ct litch... maybe i'll sub her again... btw, does ANYONE flourish midscreen? l don't think it's good to make everyone solely corner rapists.
C0R Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 btw, does ANYONE flourish midscreen? l don't think it's good to make everyone solely corner rapists. Mu lost her corner loops, and gained quite a bit of midscreen versatility, on top of the fact that she already shined when she had room to work with.
Manta Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 Tager can still fuck you up from midscreen since most of his combos involve throwing his opponent to the other side of him (and back again usually). Having your back to the wall against tager is still bad bad news in terms of having fewer escapes, but who is this not the case with?
Arvoyea Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 *reads that BIG DAMAGE is only on the corner so far in CSII* Wait, why am I reminded of this all of a sudden? Welp, GGs Arc System Works. Did CS1 or even CT work like this? Probably not. If it's to balance the game, I could understand, but would that make the game even more boring if the final edition is like this? It's gonna end up where we can tell who's gonna lose a match the moment they're stuck in the corner...
C0R Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 Big damage is by by no means the only way to victory. Corner combos reward spacing, if your opponent is better at spacing, then they should win the match anyway, no matter where the damage takes place on screen.
KayEff Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 ツバキD翼上段化 ライチ6Bはガードすると異様にヒットストップ長い、空中の敵に当たると通常でも壁バウンド ライチ前投げがきりもみヨロケに マコトの2Aが猫歩きにヒット バング大噴火硬直長く追撃いけなく μのツルギバウンドは画面端限定でJ2Cは受身取れませんでした、ごめんなさい Tsubaki + j.214D got buffed (maybe stronger) Litchi * Litchi's 6B strangely got more hitstop * 6B wallbounces when it connects in midair (buff? nerf? you guys tell me) Makoto + 2A hits "cat walking" (I have no idea what this means, maybe refers to Tao's crawl?) Bang - Daifunka does not go a long way shortly and followup attacks don't live (someone verify this, I can't really tell if the verbs are negative or not) Mu - Tsurugi wallbounce is restricted to the end of the screen (only wallbounces on corner, probably) + j.2C's ukemi has not been removed, sorry (probably the untechable state j.2C puts you in; you Mu players should know what he's talking about)
Remiri Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 Having higher damage combos in the corner should not be a revelation for dustloop. Not worth posting about.
TD Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 With how good ibing is in this game, no one's corner rape is truly broken, bar George/Daisherin, which also has holes.. A good thing is that this game has become momentum based and pretty much forces you to play at a semi-decent level if you don't want a bloody, raw ass. Random combo damage has thankfully been limited. l have really high hopes for this game. lt does seem a little bland, though. lol if this turns out like Battle Fantasia.
Mightfo Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 Those are all true for 22C, one of the best oki options in the game. Why are other people using current stats to determine the unsafity of a future move, come ON dustloop. Obviously if it doesn't work even remotely the same in this new iteration, it won't be the same move. thank you so fucking much *reads that BIG DAMAGE is only on the corner so far in CSII* Wait, why am I reminded of this all of a sudden? Welp, GGs Arc System Works. Did CS1 or even CT work like this? Probably not. If it's to balance the game, I could understand, but would that make the game even more boring if the final edition is like this? It's gonna end up where we can tell who's gonna lose a match the moment they're stuck in the corner... WAH WAH WAH OH NO THE CORNER MIGHT FUCKING MATTER good job missing the point of the blade mockery
LunaKage Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 welp I support his use of made up words, because they are made of Truthiness, and winitude. But seriously though, he's right.
Shinkada Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 I hate corner rape too but I think that's just bad memories from GG. Between IBing, tech rolling, widescreen, and the stuff we already know and love like wakeup supers, wakeup grabs, anything character specific (DPs), dead angles (counter assault is the BB term, iirc?) and bursts, you really do have to be either hopeless or outclassed to wind up in the corner for any longer than a moment. I dunno if I'd agree with that in GG but I certainly do in BB. Plus there's still a few characters with solid midscreen, eg Tager and Mu, and more that we're not sure on yet (like Rachel who as far as I've seen and heard, even her miserable-but-dedicated userbase hasn't managed to dream up any good potential bnbs). I was admittedly worried about that at first but I think it'll actually turn out fine. The solution to corner rape is to stay out of the corner, and in BB that's very viable.
farranpoison Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 Makoto + 2A hits "cat walking" (I have no idea what this means, maybe refers to Tao's crawl?) Great news. That'll help a lot with the Tao matchup. Then again, if Tao is that nerfed in CS2, I guess it wouldn't really matter.
CakeWasBannedd Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 I hate corner rape too but I think that's just bad memories from GG. Between IBing, tech rolling, widescreen, and the stuff we already know and love like wakeup supers, wakeup grabs, anything character specific (DPs), dead angles (counter assault is the BB term, iirc?) and bursts, you really do have to be either hopeless or outclassed to wind up in the corner for any longer than a moment. I dunno if I'd agree with that in GG but I certainly do in BB. Plus there's still a few characters with solid midscreen, eg Tager and Mu, and more that we're not sure on yet (like Rachel who as far as I've seen and heard, even her miserable-but-dedicated userbase hasn't managed to dream up any good potential bnbs). I was admittedly worried about that at first but I think it'll actually turn out fine. The solution to corner rape is to stay out of the corner, and in BB that's very viable. tech rolling is punishable by 90% of the cast, if you predict a wakeup super, grab, or DP they're fucked (and that shit is scrubby in the first place), hardly anyone has a counter assault that's get out of corner free or that isn't amazingly easy to bait, and bursts are bursts. stay free
Blade Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 WAH WAH WAH OH NO THE CORNER MIGHT FUCKING MATTER good job missing the point of the blade mockery I'm a scary freaking prophet. :china: Even if Proration won't help corner situations, they might just nerf them anyway if it comes to that. Remember how messed up Tager's hitbox was in CT in and out of corners? They might do something similar...but who knows. I sure don't. ...OR DO I?
Shinkada Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 tech rolling is punishable by 90% of the cast, if you predict a wakeup super, grab, or DP they're fucked (and that shit is scrubby in the first place), hardly anyone has a counter assault that's get out of corner free or that isn't amazingly easy to bait, and bursts are bursts. stay free You're seriously going to argue that BB isn't easy to get out of the corner in? When you spend the other 23 hours of the day with the rest of the tears parade whining about how scrubby BB is because okizeme and space control aren't king? You're just trying to start pointless shit because you don't like me, live free and die.
A.X.I.S. Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 No in BB and in pretty much every fighting game known to man the corner is assisted suicide unless your the guy not in the corner. Cake was only pointing out that rolling gets you killed, if you think getting out of the corner is stupid easy then your just being silly...of course I main tager so I don't know anything. (everything is hard for tager.)
CakeWasBannedd Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 No in BB and in pretty much every fighting game known to man the corner is assisted suicide unless your the guy not in the corner. Cake was only pointing out that rolling gets you killed, if you think getting out of the corner is stupid easy then your just being silly...of course I main tager so I don't know anything. (everything is hard for tager.) thank you
Remiri Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 More like if you think getting out of the corner is stupid easy then you are playing against people who don't understand how to hit a single button when you are on the ground to stop the roll edit: yay for having to be captain obvious.
LunaKage Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 Getting out of the corner can be tough, even Noel's godly CA can be baited with a backdash.
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