BBCS2 FINAL SHOWDOWN: Loketest 5, Nov. 15th Discussion

[MashThat5A]

So belial edge now sends the person flying away, it comes in at a sharper angle(less range?) and it's not good in combos. I wonder what it's use will be now...

Probably only in corner combos.

[xlolxlolx]

I didn't read that it has blowback, but there's a loketest video from 2 that confirms it.

Here.

well that change got taken out apparently

[Shinkada]

Didn't know they were fully invincible, just knew they came out fast enough for it to not matter.

Thank you Kay Eff for answering in a much less jerktown manner.

re: Belial Edge, it'll still be very good for safe movement I think. I've seen Kaqn use it to escape the corner quite a number of times. Maybe the sharper angle will actually make it better for this? You might even be able to use it for crossups. Also it's always had fairly good damage and excellent meter gain on its own, it might be a potential combo ender if you want more heat or want to push the enemy into/away from the corner.

EDIT: Unless the blowback is gone and it's almost impossible to hit with out of the corner at which point ignore everything I just said re combo ender.

[DogsofWar]

Since your question was answered,

well that change got taken out apparently

When? I dont wanna get my hopes up without proof.

Edited November 18, 2010 by DogsofWar

[KayEff]

Didn't know they were fully invincible, just knew they came out fast enough for it to not matter.

It's not fully invincible, otherwise people would not be able to punish it. It's only invincible during startup and active frames if I recall correctly. The recovery in CS1 was fairly quick considering the blockstun, but now in CS2 that'll change.

[xlolxlolx]

・ベリアルエッジのバウンド高くなり拾いにくく（※画面端なら急いで5Dで追撃は可能

・ベリアルエッジはコンボに組み込むと初段以外ダメージがカスに

☆ベリアルエッジの角度が鋭くなりコンボで融通が利きにくく

☆ベリアルエッジの初段が一回後ろに下がるモーションがつきさらに当てにくく

well these are the only changes to belial edge according to gyuudon as of now, 1st one is floor bounce high, 2nd is dmg is trash unless used as starter

[Aureliano]

So wait, now a move has to have invincible recovery to be considered "fully invincible" ?

[C0R]

Couldn't a higher floor bounce be interpreted as more knockback? Then it would coincide with the video.

[DogsofWar]

Are you sure he means "Changes from CS"? he might mean "Changes from last Loketest". I hope they reverted it to CS bounce

Bounceback + Sharper angle means more ground to run to close into the opponent. At least if the angle remained the same, the bounce back wouldnt matter as much.

Edited November 18, 2010 by DogsofWar

[Shinkada]

It's not fully invincible, otherwise people would not be able to punish it. It's only invincible during startup and active frames if I recall correctly. The recovery in CS1 was fairly quick considering the blockstun, but now in CS2 that'll change.

That's cool, I like the idea of them being more punishable if you're MikeZ and use ancient voodoo magic to predict their exact occurance. As long as they're still able to hit anyone out of any non-invincible/superarmour attack it's all good.

[KayEff]

I must've considered "fully invincible" to be "invincible fo all of yo framez" instead of "invincible fo all yo bodeh pahts"

It's probably still going to be super hard to predict Counter Assaults in CS2 though, what with the startups on most of them. To block it you'll actually have to yomi it, which I believe very, very few of us can actually do.

Edited November 18, 2010 by KayEff

[xlolxlolx]

uhhh first of all that was 3 loketests ago so don't rely on that for accuracy, and floor bounce higher = they bounce higher not they go flying horizontally.

[DogsofWar]

uhhh first of all that was 3 loketests ago so don't rely on that for accuracy, and floor bounce higher = they bounce higher not they go flying horizontally.

Second of all, no one stated that it went back to vertical bounce.

[KayEff]

Now guys, let's decide what happens to Belial Edge in THIS loketest before trying to figure out what happened in the previous ones

[xlolxlolx]

Second of all, no one stated that it went back to vertical bounce.

christ...just stop posting because all the info is from the 5th loketest that is going on right now

[DogsofWar]

All im saying is, the rule of thumb is: Everything from previous tests remains the same unless otherwise stated. I pray that he's right though

[C0R]

Yo where's my stream at.

No seriously, videos. Do want.

Are they having legal problems? No cameras allowed?

[xlolxlolx]

http://generalnantoka.blog35.fc2.com/blog-entry-405.html compiled changes to all chars, constantly updated by him

[DogsofWar]

See, providing a source wasnt that hard, now was it ^_^

[xlolxlolx]

you know....its been around for over a month

[Stomoman]

· 6C slide down, so, effectively removes two computer mice

FUCK my computer mice!

[DogsofWar]

Well its new to me, and im happy with the change

[KayEff]

Are they having legal problems? No cameras allowed?

As I learned when I was in TGS, it's common courtesy and against game company rules to have unauthorized footage of an unreleased game. ASW probably has big NO CAMERAS or NO CAMCORDERS signs on the machines, so don't expect any good footage of the loketest.

Edited November 18, 2010 by KayEff

[xlolxlolx]

Well its new to me, and im happy with the change

well it's only going to be good when you're approaching corner, which is the only time you'll be able to follow up with 5D after BE now

[DogsofWar]

yeah but its still better than that ridiculous knockback effect.