Urichinan Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 It's the 6A > 22C that made me want to cry. 6A > 22C really isn't that hard, the only thing difficult about it is that it's more character specific then 6C > 22C. The delay you have to do is super short, it's almost as quick as a normal special cancel.
Spud Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 I never could do 6C j.236C j.C 22C, but all the others aren't too difficult imo (at least offline)
Tari Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Oh God, Urich, your new avatar. xD In general, I don't feel like any of the 22C combos have really gotten any harder or easier. @Spud: It just takes a little practice. You might want to try buffering 22C immediately after doing j.C.
Starlight777 Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 I'm getting better, but I can't use 22C in anything.
Urichinan Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Oh God, Urich, your new avatar. xD In general, I don't feel like any of the 22C combos have really gotten any harder or easier. @Spud: It just takes a little practice. You might want to try buffering 22C immediately after doing j.C. :3 It took FOREVER to get this Rarity picture in clear quality. As for the j.C > 22C thing, start of by practicing j.D (Pan) > IAD > j.C > 22C because that requires no timing and just special canceling, by doing that you'll be seeing the height that you need to cancel j.C into 22C, use that visual guide to start practicing 6C > j.236C > j.C > 22C, after you get that down visually you begin to learn it mentally, eventually it'll just become muscle memory and you'll be able to do it without even paying attention.
Spud Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 :3 It took FOREVER to get this Rarity picture in clear quality. As for the j.C > 22C thing, start of by practicing j.D (Pan) > IAD > j.C > 22C because that requires no timing and just special canceling, by doing that you'll be seeing the height that you need to cancel j.C into 22C, use that visual guide to start practicing 6C > j.236C > j.C > 22C, after you get that down visually you begin to learn it mentally, eventually it'll just become muscle memory and you'll be able to do it without even paying attention. Oh God, Urich, your new avatar. xD In general, I don't feel like any of the 22C combos have really gotten any harder or easier. @Spud: It just takes a little practice. You might want to try buffering 22C immediately after doing j.C. Thanks guys, I'm getting more success by not trying to put any delays in. I had been lazy and doing 6A > 6C > j.236C > delay > j.C > 22C before.
suna19 Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 this video has a FC Air Persia in it. unfortunately no combo on this one, but it think it was because the player went for a 5C instead of a 5A.
Moy_X7 Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 So, does anyone know the full list of things that have changed from CSII to CSX? I know that her P1 was nerfed for a bunch of her highly damaging CSII starters, she's able to combo off a Bat and Cat Hammer CH, the bombs' trajectory can be controlled and you only get 3 of them now. That's about it though.
Tari Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) this video has a FC Air Persia in it. unfortunately no combo on this one, but it think it was because the player went for a 5C instead of a 5A. I really want to see someone actually combo off of that. xD So, does anyone know the full list of things that have changed from CSII to CSX? I know that her P1 was nerfed for a bunch of her highly damaging CSII starters, she's able to combo off a Bat and Cat Hammer CH, the bombs' trajectory can be controlled and you only get 3 of them now. That's about it though. Come to think of it, might be worthwhile to make a CS2>CSEX changes thread for Plat. I'll leave that to Cirno and the other regulars, since I don't want to manage Plat and Rachel's changes threads. Off the top of my head: buffs: 3 bombs, controllable trajectorySuper hammer can now be combo'd from air hitCH Bat can now be combo'd (launches into air on CH)CH Cat Hammer can now be combo'd (causes ground bounce on CH)5B startup reducedj.C landing recovery removedj.D pan can now be combo'd from higher than before (as opposed to having to TK it to combo from the overhead in CS2)Air Persia can now fatal counterAir Persia is now projectile invuln (someone confirm? haven't seen it used in video yet, so cannot confirm for release version) nerfs:2C now has repeat prorationP1 nerf on a couple of her better starters6A startup increased (can someone confirm this holds true in release?)System change limits 5A/2A to 3 gatlings per string edit: yo, gamma got the full list. Haha. Edited October 26, 2011 by Tari
Yggjrasil Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 So, does anyone know the full list of things that have changed from CSII to CSX? I know that her P1 was nerfed for a bunch of her highly damaging CSII starters, she's able to combo off a Bat and Cat Hammer CH, the bombs' trajectory can be controlled and you only get 3 of them now. That's about it though. Platinum + Jump cat hammer's hitbox reaches to Platinum's foot area + JC hitbox might be wider (reaches behind her?) + 6A feels like it has less recovery - 2C has repeat proration + 6C repeat proration removed - Swallow Moon has more recovery + batCH>mami works, confirmed with Jin and Litchi -(?) Missile special has lower proration -(?) frying pan damage now 500 * bomb special still equips 6 + CDT won't drop even after two mamis - CDT minimum damage nerfed to about 950 + TK cat hammer (special?) CH>5C>mami works + With regular missile, 5C> 5D> JC> JD> DJ JC> something + 5A can only be chained 3 times , of course, and they say it has "compensation"? + Cat hammer is stronger and has more minimum range + Also launches on CH now. . + She can combo off the Super Bat in the corner. At least one person didn't seem to find this worth the meter still iirc. + More importantly, her regular bat launches on CH, just like in the loketest (or something. Correct me if I read that wrong) + Sounds like she can do a Hammer Loop with the Super Hammer at any height (as opposed to only after a Lvl 3 superjump). So no more bootleg delays in the air. + With Special Hammer Mami> 5C> J.C> J.D> 5C> J.C> J.D" + At least two people said that they felt 5B was a superior poke to 5A now, seems like 5B got buffed + Missile and bomb CH have more untechable time + Powered up Cat and Bat have better proration * 2B>5C>Mami>5C>5D (bat)>2C>22C>6A>22C>5C(6A Mami)>j.D (bat)>2C>Mami for 3700 * Bat or Cat Hammer CH>Mami>6C>(Swallow Moon) j.C>22C>5C>6A>Mami dmg. ? * j.D (pan)＞Airdash j.C＞22C＞5C＞Mami＞6C＞22C>5D (pan)＞2C＞22C＞5C＞6A＞Mami for 3700. the guy who wrote it thinks that the Fan might put the dmg to 5000 * 5C＞Mami＞5C＞2C＞214C＞6C＞22C＞6A＞6C＞22C＞5C＞Air Combo for 4700 * 6C FC＞j.C＞5C＞Mami＞6C＞Swallow Moon j.C＞22C＞（6A＞6C＞22C）×2＞5C＞Air Combo for around 5600 all of this was found in the BBCS changes topic
Tari Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 + 5A can only be chained 3 times , of course, and they say it has "compensation"? Can you link me to the original Japanese for this? I'm going to guess it's a discussion on 5A having longer startup or recovery.
Urichinan Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 The changes should be added to the mechanical guide after CSE comes out on consoles, there isn't a need for a full thread about it considering the discussion about it will be out of date anyway, so I think it should just go there. :3 Plus it keeps things organized, and ya'll know how I like my organization! :P
Cirno Posted October 27, 2011 Author Posted October 27, 2011 Might I direct your attention to: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12664-Platinum-BBCSEX-Changes-Thread
Moy_X7 Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Woot, thanks a lot. I can live with the damage nerfs if it means that we can combo off more stuff now, that and 5B and j.C are better this time around.
CakeWasBannedd Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 6A looks almost better to me like it's slower, but it beats a LOT more stuff clean and seems to be a better antiair overall
Cirno Posted October 27, 2011 Author Posted October 27, 2011 oh heavens shiromadoushi lives http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JSbVO9AaUU#t=2m20s aaand here too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWy0aqwoNDk#t=6m20s
Chaoschao222 Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12609-NVG-25-Dat-Nostalgia. Hey Platinum players, you should help NVG decide their next theme, I personally am pulling for Vampires due to Halloween approaching, but w/e is fine :x
HexaNoid Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 ^ Pick Vampires or I'll break your fucking legs please~ :3
Tari Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Pick lolis to make the NVG members irritated when it wins. :D Also, you're really desperate, huh, chao? You're asking in the Rachel and Platinum forums for people to not vote for loli. Hmm.
Yggjrasil Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 I sense ulterior motives from Chao and I chose Shounen hero(ines)...
Chaoschao222 Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Pick lolis to make the NVG members irritated when it wins. :D Also, you're really desperate, huh, chao? You're asking in the Rachel and Platinum forums for people to not vote for loli. Hmm. Rachel and Plat are pretty much the only places I go outside of NVG, it's all I could do, admittedly asking Plats for help for non-lolis was , BUT GODDAMMIT RACHEL PLAYERS SHE'S A VAMPIRE
Tari Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 oh heavens shiromadoushi lives http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JSbVO9AaUU#t=2m20s aaand here too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWy0aqwoNDk#t=6m20s Pretty crazy comebacks in the second round of both those games. I wonder why he was dropping the weapon toss combos, though? Rachel and Plat are pretty much the only places I go outside of NVG, it's all I could do, admittedly asking Plats for help for non-lolis was , BUT GODDAMMIT RACHEL PLAYERS SHE'S A VAMPIRE Hahahaha. Maybe next time. :D
Urichinan Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 I picked lolis, because I wanted to be a dick. No vampires.
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