BatousaiJ Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Konan seems to have some serious problem with Hazama and Jin it seems. Haz has always been tough for Tsu but Jin's new. Perhaps a testament to how good he is in CP.
Errol Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Yeah, Hazama is S too. Those jump loops do a lot, and hotenjin still lets him take any combo into 5k territory. Rank 11+ Population. (Someone on jbbs compiled so I just translated, Takes 30 seconds so I'll leave it here.) 9 Jin Hakumen 6 Valkenhyne 5 Hazama 4 Ragna Taokaka Litchi Bang 3 Carl Azrael Platinum 2 Rachel Tager Tsubaki Relius 1 Arakune ν Makoto 0 Noel Amane Bullet μ Izayoi Edited December 16, 2012 by Errol
FatalCounter Posted December 18, 2012 Posted December 18, 2012 I remember Konan was not that strong when Extend was released in arcades, but after the console release he just learned some tricks and improved a lot. I think he always needs to adapt to the game to become unbeatable. I am pretty sure he find some answers to his threats. He is just one of the smartest BB players I ever seen. PATIENCE!!!!!
Surf Posted December 18, 2012 Posted December 18, 2012 PATIENCE!!!!! Konan mashes a lot more than he's patient
BatousaiJ Posted December 18, 2012 Posted December 18, 2012 It's been said before but knowing when to mash and just mashing are two totally different things. You can guess which type Konan belongs to.
LunarSelenia Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Yeah, Hazama is S too. Those jump loops do a lot, and hotenjin still lets him take any combo into 5k territory. Rank 11+ Population. (Someone on jbbs compiled so I just translated, Takes 30 seconds so I'll leave it here.) 9 Jin Hakumen 6 Valkenhyne 5 Hazama 4 Ragna Taokaka Litchi Bang 3 Carl Azrael Platinum 2 Rachel Tager Tsubaki Relius 1 Arakune ν Makoto 0 Noel Amane Bullet μ Izayoi Given the general idea of characters, that sounds about right to me. I remember reading jbbs for CSX a few weeks or a month after it was released in arcades and they pretty much had it accurate. The only one I could at least possibly consider changing spots is Izayoi. But dunno considering what I've seen of her playstyle. We'll see. I'm not big on tier lists, but it's nice to have a list of a general idea of who needs to work a bit harder with the options they have and who is doing the damage.
Surf Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 Ok Kuresu, really. I mean he's a great player and all but theres a limit to how much you mash DP without you know.... mashing the hell out of DP. God imagine if he played Ragna
Kiba Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 I guess he really likes the new DP haha. I mean he can afford to as well really seeing that he can cover it with stock at times.
Surf Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 I dunno man. Imo he's fallen off since EX with these terrible habits he has now. But yea, he loves the new DP. To the point where 8/10 he uses it when his opponent try to restart pressure or has him knocked down. But I think the real sad thing is, 9/10 no ones baiting the damn thing.
Airk Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 I dunno man. Imo he's fallen off since EX with these terrible habits he has now. But yea, he loves the new DP. To the point where 8/10 he uses it when his opponent try to restart pressure or has him knocked down. But I think the real sad thing is, 9/10 no ones baiting the damn thing. It's kinda like Kiba said - it's not that easy to bait it if Tsubaki has stock. I'm more waiting for him to improve on his combo execution. There's still a lot of dropping going on.
Errol Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 I'm sure he'll improve but be aware of the fact that theres a lot of char specific shit.
Kiba Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) I actually enjoy watching Kuresu, alot more now in CP than EX. Fair enough he DPs alot I noticed that too, but it is working for him. I've actually seen (or assumed lol) players try to bait it but get nothing. If they do bait it, it's just a matter of knowing how to punish the followup. There's a little mind game involved in that as well. You don't know how she's gonna followup and if you think you can punish her, she could just hit you with j.214D. She could even get past you and be safe completely, like in the matches against Chibaken. Alternatively you could just use the fireball to avoid any AA attempts they will throw at you had you used the j.214D followup. You get the idea but basically the point is that it can be awkward to punish. I dunno man. Imo he's fallen off since EX with these terrible habits he has now. Hm? What bad habits do you have in mind? Edited December 20, 2012 by Kiba
BatousaiJ Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 Ok Kuresu, really. I mean he's a great player and all but theres a limit to how much you mash DP without you know.... mashing the hell out of DP. God imagine if he played Ragna He does DP a lot but he rarely gets punished meaning he's using it in a smart way. If you notice, instead of DPing, he will just wake up 5A and start pressure for free because his opponent was baiting the DP which is something he conditioned them to believe. Even midscreen with 2 charges, you can get around 2.5k damage off the DP without spending any meter either so it makes it even more troublesome for his opponent when they get hit by it.
pktazn Posted December 20, 2012 Author Posted December 20, 2012 He'll probably be more consistent when the console version comes out, but I do agree with what everyone else has said about him so far on his DP usage. And it's not like it works all the time. I know I've seen him get severely punished when he was being stupid with it during a few rounds from other matches.
Surf Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 He does DP a lot but he rarely gets punished meaning he's using it in a smart way. You see, I would agree with you if he was legit using DP on reaction to things. But he's mashing, quite hard. At one point he DP'd 3 times in a row on wakeup when the opponent baited and punished him for it. He does it on whiffed moves, etc. Just things I have no seen him do in EX @Kiba, I should've just said bad habit, as in singular. Which is his obsession with her new DP. I still enjoy watching him but goddamn. Just calm down sometimes Kuresu.
Zouf Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 I dunno man. Imo he's fallen off since EX with these terrible habits he has now. But yea, he loves the new DP. To the point where 8/10 he uses it when his opponent try to restart pressure or has him knocked down. But I think the real sad thing is, 9/10 no ones baiting the damn thing. Agree. It actually happens to me to get pissed seeing some obvious DP getting punished. It's ok to use them, but he uses them far TOO much. Well, he was using it alot in CSEX too if you remember. He was one of the only (if not only) tsubaki that woke up with DP A pretty much all the time, and i was always wondering why the others did not. Also, he used the throw a lot, he kinda lost that habit now.
FatalCounter Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 It is not like it is only him using too much DPs, On videos (Yanutsu Access Singles) posted on Pktazn channel, even this tsubaki player (maybe Wara) usse a lot her DP. It even beats the Taokaka Berserker Rage (referring to Wolverine, lol) Super that has some invincibility. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEWI1KiD130&list=UUJC5rXAfIrTMuoBY3qJjBdA&index=15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRLcnZ1xBc&list=UUJC5rXAfIrTMuoBY3qJjBdA&index=14 At least he is more consistent with the jB > jC > jD cancel > jB > jC..... than the last time.
TD Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 l just think the sbo champion sees things that differently. there's absolutely no problem doing wakeup dp 3 times in a row. the important thing to note is that it works when it needs to work, and kuresu knows that. and that's why he's based tsubaki.
Kiba Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 Also, he used the throw a lot, he kinda lost that habit now. That's funny because I was just thinking that Kuresu should throw more, especially since we get good damage from it. Better than using 6A often. Also, Konan was known to abuse DPs too.
pktazn Posted December 20, 2012 Author Posted December 20, 2012 Yup Konan is notorious for abusing DPs even though they were Tsubaki DPs since CS2 lol. If the DP is working for Kuresu in various situations in addition to actually being good (at least better than her DP has been before), I don't see why he and other Tsubakis shouldn't ab/use it? It's a working tool that they're trying to use to their advantage unless they fuck up and get punished obviously.
Adam0812 Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 How safe is her dp when you j214d follow up, can you be CH, punished?
Kiba Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 Yup Konan is notorious for abusing DPs even though they were Tsubaki DPs since CS2 lol. If the DP is working for Kuresu in various situations in addition to actually being good (at least better than her DP has been before), I don't see why he and other Tsubakis shouldn't ab/use it? It's a working tool that they're trying to use to their advantage unless they fuck up and get punished obviously. Yea pretty much this. There is no denying that us Tsubaki players will abuse this. Adam, there is no frame specified for j.214D, but they can CH you if they are fast enough.
Surf Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 l just think the sbo champion sees things that differently. there's absolutely no problem doing wakeup dp 3 times in a row. When someone DP's 3 times in less than 10 seconds I'd like to feel like I'm not the only one who see's a problem with that. But I digress. "If it works, use it" seems to be the general consensus. So I'll just drop the subject now.
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