Your TV/Monitor

[Airk]

I've been reading about the evils of modern HDTVs and how much they lag and so on and so forth, and I'm curious; What are people here using to play these games on?

Standard CRT TV/Monitor?

Standard HDTV (with some 'noteworthy' amount of input lag)? (That's me, right there, BTW)

Lagless/Low Lag HDTV/Monitor (The "Evo monitor" or something similar)?

If the latter, where did you get it and how did you choose it? And when (Since a lagless monitor you bought 4 years ago is probably no longer on the market)?

[Rhiya]

Low-delay computer monitor. Obsessively checked for input delay tests for every monitor I looked at, then went to look at the monitors I could find that qualified in person while trying to find a solid return policy. (Solid return policies are stupid important for monitors, because of stuck pixels.)

My computer runs into it via DVI, and my PS3 runs into it via HDMI.

[Mahouko]

dunno whats this lag everyone speaks of. play bb on a standard hd tv, AND guilty gear with no lag

[InfiniteChaos]

dunno whats this lag everyone speaks of. play bb on a standard hd tv, AND guilty gear with no lag

Most standard HDTV's have a few frames of lag associated with them. The best way I can explain it to you is I recently went to NEC, my first major ever and played on lagless Asus monitors and I noticed a huge difference from the 40'' Sony Bravia I play on at home; the game just flows better and looks better. That is the only way for me to describe it, it is just one of those things that you would need to see in person in order to tell the difference.

[Rhiya]

I'm gonna say Mahouko has a good TV.

Because there's no goddamn way in hell Mahouko /wouldn't/ notice that lag if it were there.

[excelence]

Try using game mode whenever available, about 2 weeks ago i'm playing GG on Toshiba REGZA 42HL167 ... standard usage screw my OS corner combos hardcore where the link u rely on visual cue heavily, the game mode noticeably minimize the response time delay.

I don't really have much trouble with FRC point, but probably that's because muscle memory. and for BB case, probably because of the advanced input buffer, the link got wider, i don't have much trouble on older model (forgot the type) hdtv that i'm sure there's at least 5f delay (screw up a lot on VT loop and oki timing).

[InfiniteChaos]

Is the ASUS VH236H still the best moniter to play fighting games on?

[Airk]

I'm gonna say Mahouko has a good TV.

Because there's no goddamn way in hell Mahouko /wouldn't/ notice that lag if it were there.

This is not really true. If you've never seen the game WITHOUT it, you would just assume that any "delay" is supposed to be there.

[diospyros]

Between an Asus monitor and a CRT tube, I really didn't notice any input lag at all. Maybe they have similar speeds?

[Airk]

Between an Asus monitor and a CRT tube, I really didn't notice any input lag at all. Maybe they have similar speeds?

Well, if by "an Asus monitor" you mean the "Evo monitor" (rather than just any random ASUS monitor) then the difference in delay is going to be small enough that you won't be able to tell by eye, I think.

[Rhiya]

This is not really true. If you've never seen the game WITHOUT it, you would just assume that any "delay" is supposed to be there.

Mahouko is a tourney-level Bridget player

[diospyros]

I'm not sure which "evo monitor" you're referring to since I'm new to this, but the asus that I was playing with was a VH236H.

EDIT: Do consoles have any factor to input lag or is it just monitors? For some reason, I've never really thought of this until now.

Edited December 27, 2011 by diospyros

[Nini Heart]

Is the ASUS VH236H still the best moniter to play fighting games on?

Yes

[Tari]

There are a number of large HDTVs around nowadays that test for very low input delay. Iirc, there was even one around 32" that tested at 0-1ms slower than CRTs, which is pretty much ridiculous.

Anyway. CRTs and the Evo Monitor, here. We have played on a super big, super laggy TV at times for the lulz-factor, though.

[MiraclePizza]

My 32" 720p Dynex that I bought early 2008 has less lag than the standard evo monitors.

[Airk]

EDIT: Do consoles have any factor to input lag or is it just monitors? For some reason, I've never really thought of this until now.

Not any more than arcade hardware, so functionally, no.

[Tari]

Not any more than arcade hardware, so functionally, no.

As long as you're not making it do something unusual, like playing Guilty Gear on a PS3.

[Delrian]

...wait, I thought someone tested stuff and found out that PS3 had 1-2 frames more input delay than 360?

There was a thread as I recall. EDIT: link

Anyway, I use a CRT because I got mine for free.

Edited December 27, 2011 by Delrian

[Rhiya]

The PS3 has one frame of input delay on everything, iirc.

[TheGreatReptar]

For at school, I have a 13 inch CRT tv that I play on, although it's so hard to read stuff on it, I just suck it up and play on my HDTV with its ~2-4 frames of lag sometimes. At home, my parents have an HD CRT. I'm pretty sure it's near lagless.

[zeth07]

I have a 42" Sony LCD (KDF-E42A10)

I bought it 6 years ago before Xbox 360 came out because I wanted an HDTV to be able to get the most out of the new systems.

I did very little research besides what was the difference between Plasma, LCD, and DLP. I knew Plasma was out cause back then they would still mention possible burn-in. So between LCD and DLP I believe I read LCD lasted longer in terms of needing to replace the bulb or whatever. Then I picked the Sony mainly because I've had relatively good experience with their products so I figured might as well get something good quality. I never bothered to look into whether or not it had lag at the time since I just wanted a nice HDTV for 360/PS3. Ended up spending like $1,800 on it at the time. It unfortunately doesn't have 1080p since that wasn't the standard kinda like it is now, so I only got 720p/1080i and below.

In my experience there doesn't seem to be any noticeable lag. I even tested it out with the GH2 or Rock Band calibration and I'm pretty sure it showed up as 0ms or something really low. It is 6 years old or more now so you probably won't be finding this TV anywhere, so I guess it doesn't really matter, lol.

I actually have/use an EVO monitor for my PC monitor but I don't even get much use out of it in terms of gaming.

I actually had a chance to get a new TV for Christmas but passed because I wanted to make absolutely sure it didn't have input lag and also wanted it to be a good one ( not $300-$600 more than likely ). So in trying to look into what are some good HDTVs for gaming nowadays, I came across this site:

http://www.hdplasmatvreviews.com/best-gaming-tv/

Maybe it'll help you out.

[tofurr]

I planned on getting a Panisonic Viera with Christmas money.

*Goes to that site, Viera has 10/10*

Frickin' sweet! Thanks for the link, Zeth.

[qwerty]

Input lag is caused primarily by post-processing (changing the image before it gets to the screen), though other things can cause it as well.

CRT's are lagless, and that's that. Doesn't matter what kind of resolution you're giving it, whether the signal's progressive or interlaced, etc. Even if you send a digital signal to a CRT like DVI/HDMI, the display itself is analog and won't try to touch up the image before it projects it onto the glass screen.

I've found DLP's to be lagless/low lag, as well. It's been awhile since I've conducted a timecode test but I recall my DLP actually being ahead of my laptop's LCD. I should try that again sometime, seeing as the Flash timecode test from a few years ago has proven to be less than entirely accurate.

Input lag is most prevalent in LCD's, which also just happen to be the most common type of display these days. The good news is that sometime around the middle of 2010, LCD monitors started to get a lot better about input lag to the point where even some of the shitty ones will lag by 2-3 frames at most. Still, if you're in the market for an LCD that lags by ~1 frame, this is the best you're gonna get at the moment. Timecode test vs the Samsung 2233RZ here. If I'm not mistaken, they use the same panel.

As for LCD TV's, you're really just gonna have to test them out on your own. The reason monitors don't lag as badly is because they're made for computers, which will do all the upscaling at the GPU (which is how the PS3 and 360 do it, as well).

[Dagon]

I'm looking at getting a small TV for BB, and unfortunately input lag isn't something which is commonly covered in reviews; however there are a couple of places which include it, though most seem to be British for some reason.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464 <- is a really long thread, but covers a large number of tv's, if you can find them in there

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21497668#post21497668 <-current 32-37" tvs w/ low lag

http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sub-1-frame-hdtv-monitor-input-lag-database.145141/

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1645885 <-is more geared towards pc gaming on a tv

review sites:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television.html

finding the same model # for the US is something I haven't figured out yet.

After researching for a while I'm going to look for a LG lk450 in the area and see if it would be ok, and how much it'd cost.

Also, as I understand it, the 360 does its own upscaling, but the ps3 doesn't, but that should have minimal impact on performance.

[E3vE3 WAZ HEA]

i have a proscan tv, givin to us by a family member. it doesnt run HD >.> the corners are cut off (for example if im plaing litchi and im 2nd player insted of me seeing the full picture and name i see about 2/3rds of the face and LI and half the T while the rest is cut off <.< same this if i was first player)