[CP] Rachel Alucard Gameplay Discussion

[sparkaura]

There is a stream going on right now, I saw the Rachel use crush trigger and the combo did like 4k unless my eyes decived me. So, it maybe useful but george seems useless for combos :/

[samthegreat]

Throw > Astral POSSIBLE MIDSCREEN!

yoooooooooooo

[Sakaku]

Throw is special cancelable, and we can even combo a midscreen throw into astral, derp.

@TD: She doesn't really consume much wind, especially in the corner. She also stays on the ground too in corner combos so it's really good for wind regen and we get pumpkin + frog oki. I don't see where this is bad. Concering midscreen combos, right now we don't have much for wind regeneration with 3C SMP but there are still some things we don't know (lotus, use of OD?), I'm confident enough the jps will find something.

Also, Rachel's crushtrigger doesn't bounce. It knocks them down, allowing for a 5B relaunch. On a stream Rachel did [...] 3C > 8D > (dash) > 6A > crush trigger for a knockdown and relaunched the opponent with 5B into BBL. Damage wasn't good though, and we lose 75 meter too.

edit: http://youtu.be/F7hzAELGSM0

Sorry for all the coughing, I'm ill at the moment. x:

Edited November 24, 2012 by Sakaku

[sparkaura]

I feel like BBL's damage nerf is to force Rachels to hit people with both rod lightning and the body portion of BBL. Still, thats pretty annoying. Thanks for the half hour of Rachel,Sakaku I needed this lol.

[samthegreat]

Probably, because pole damage during BBL got buffed.

Momoiro's pink palette is

[TD]

ugh, still waiting on that lotus effects... the guy was in training mode, seemingly experimenting with both lotuses, and nothing happened. is there any sort of text description that says what they are supposed to do?

@sakaku ok i've seen what she can do in the corner atm, very impressed by the new combos and how quickly she recovered from the SMP nerf, also the wind regen is good. midscreen might have very similar combos as corner at least using 6a/4b, and might need crush trigger. george seems to be used towards the end of corner combos and needs 4b to connect correctly.

besides OD use and lotus, l really want to see this throw > astral

[samthegreat]

Zero did pretty good tonight.

Looks like astral is now very easily comboable

[Tari]

Alright, I've been out of the loop for a long time, now. Anyone mind filling me in on what I've missed?

All my info is months old, with the exception of knowing that Izayoi looks amazing, heh.

[sparkaura]

Zero did pretty good tonight.

Looks like astral is now very easily comboable

This. It freezes the opponent until the red light comes out around her, and if it is still unblockable you can use it as a reversal kinda lol

[Sakaku]

Saw some 3,7k corner combo using crush trigger. Starter was either 2B or 5B, I assume it was 5B.

Also, 6B is still jump cancelable on block and hit~~ But now it wallsticks on CH, so a fullscreen dash shouldn't be possible anymore. Seems like we have to use wind and IAD to follow up afterwards.

Also, her new AH is ridiculous now. I mean.. what in the world?

@Tari

In a nutshell:

*6A no longer floats on grounded hit

*6B is jc-able again

*4B ground bounces; new main combo tool

*Lobelias bounce of the wall

*j.236A sends them fullscreen, allowing for more traps to setup

*j.236B and j.236C knock down

*236B and 236C don't launch anymore

*lvl2 j.2C 236B j.C j.C 214C isn't possible anymore. But some Rachel was doing lvl2 j.2C 236B j.C 214C against Arakune, so it might be charspecific now.

*Frog meter recovery is terrible

*It's still unknown what Lotus exactly does, same with OD (?)

*Crush trigger knocks them down. Enough untechable time to relaunch with 5B.

*Instant overhead works on Rachel Hazama and Litchi (I bet it works on Noel too but we haven't seen any footage of it)!!

*New corner combo path right now is 5B > 5CDC > 6A > (236A > 6A) > 4B > 5CC > 214B > 3C 214A. Can be extened with the use of crush trigger.

*After lvl2 j.2C (dash) 6A CT/4B is possible midscreen.

*wind regen seems to be changed (not too sure about this)

*bunch of combos ,more combos

*Throw into astral works. Comboing into astral in general seems to be very easy now (see video above)

Might've forgotten something.

Edited November 25, 2012 by Sakaku

[Minutes]

Have we seen anyone use BBL at the same time as the bats being out? Wouldn't it be cool if they work as BBL fodder? (I'm bummed about the body nerf)

[TD]

all that startup time is now just superfreeze? how delightful.

[samthegreat]

@TD, the ranbat matches with Zero are on YouTube, but on the second stream he had convincing win streaks in casuals against Valk, Tsubaki, Tao (Matoi), Haku, etc.

I recorded a quick OD combo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi8MHWwsEDA

Though it does use 75 heat (only requires 55 however), it seems like in CP BBL isn't always worth it because she gets meterless oki and damage rather easily in the corner.

BBL did 1318 (3893 to 5211) damage with only one pole out during OD, far into the combo.

Conclusion: BBL damage in OD looks yummy

Edited November 25, 2012 by samthegreat

[Sakaku]

So OD boosts her damage? Setting up a 3 pole BBL shouldn't be too hard either. We can place 2 rods with one combo + frog oki (one with 6A > 236A > 6A stuff; 3C 214A [opponent techs] 5B 236A) and get the 3rd with the next combo we are going to land.

Also, midscreen combo route might be [...] lvl2 j.2C > (5B) > 6A > 236A > (dash) > 5B > air combo. Reference. That was also a sick way to land a random lvl2 j.2C.

I'm starting to lose interested in Lotus. It's time people figure out what it does, and it better be good because as things are right now, she doesn't even seem to need it.

[tofurr]

So I'm assuming lv. 3 j.2C stuff is out? I know there isn't much footage being the first week, but nobody is using it at all.

[Tari]

Saw some 3,7k corner combo using crush trigger. Starter was either 2B or 5B, I assume it was 5B.

Also, 6B is still jump cancelable on block and hit~~ But now it wallsticks on CH, so a fullscreen dash shouldn't be possible anymore. Seems like we have to use wind and IAD to follow up afterwards.

Also, her new AH is ridiculous now. I mean.. what in the world?

@Tari

In a nutshell:

*6A no longer floats on grounded hit

*6B is jc-able again

*4B ground bounces; new main combo tool

*Lobelias bounce of the wall

*j.236A sends them fullscreen, allowing for more traps to setup

*j.236B and j.236C knock down

*236B and 236C don't launch anymore

*lvl2 j.2C 236B j.C j.C 214C isn't possible anymore. But some Rachel was doing lvl2 j.2C 236B j.C 214C against Arakune, so it might be charspecific now.

*Frog meter recovery is terrible

*It's still unknown what Lotus exactly does, same with OD (?)

*Crush trigger knocks them down. Enough untechable time to relaunch with 5B.

*Instant overhead works on Rachel Hazama and Litchi (I bet it works on Noel too but we haven't seen any footage of it)!!

*New corner combo path right now is 5B > 5CDC > 6A > (236A > 6A) > 4B > 5CC > 214B > 3C 214A. Can be extened with the use of crush trigger.

*After lvl2 j.2C (dash) 6A CT/4B is possible midscreen.

*wind regen seems to be changed (not too sure about this)

*bunch of combos ,more combos

*Throw into astral works. Comboing into astral in general seems to be very easy now (see video above)

Might've forgotten something.

Thanks for the summary. Some interesting stuff in there.

[Chiizu]

I'm starting to lose interested in Lotus. It's time people figure out what it does, and it better be good because as things are right now, she doesn't even seem to need it.

#firstworldproblems

Honestly at this point I only want to know what it does just for the heck of it, even if we don't use it at all. Has anyone tried to do 22A or B again when bats are out or something? it can't possibly do NOTHING at all, can it ?

[TD]

maybe the effects are passive?

[hakimiru]

#firstworldproblems

Honestly at this point I only want to know what it does just for the heck of it, even if we don't use it at all. Has anyone tried to do 22A or B again when bats are out or something? it can't possibly do NOTHING at all, can it ?

I don't usually check this thread, but I happened to see this and took a look at the JP wiki. Here's what they say for these two moves:

Belze Lotus

Command：22+A(also usable in air)

•New move. Fires bat-like projectiles from rods. If these touch an opponent, they become more succeptable to the effects of vertical-direction winds.

Barrel Lotus

Command：22+B(also usable in air)

•New move. Fires bat-like projectiles from rods. If these touch an opponent, they become more succeptable to the effects of horizontal-direction winds.

Please feel free to ask if anything else is unclear~

[Chiizu]

Thanks a million.

So fellows, I think we can assume that it's pretty much useless eh?

[TD]

more technical than useless. its going to need a lot of figuring out. my first thought is that the lotuses have good synergy with OD. there may be plenty of ways to abuse lotuses, especially if the effects are strong enough (like, lotus 5d pushing the foe half a screen). besides that, having homing properties is a great thing for rachel considering pumpkin.

[Chiizu]

If I'm not mistaken, the projectile itself is pretty much a joke with no hitstun whatsoever, and the effects only apply once the projectile hits. Your point about it being used during OD is quite intriguing though.

I think we'll have to weigh both uses of poles depending on the situation once we figure out how to use lotus properly. In the case it turns out to be bad, it's not like we will miss it much anyway.

[samthegreat]

It makes horizontal or vertical wind much stronger. I've seen 8D lift the opponent all the way to the top of the screen (confirmed), and 5D3C with B lotus slides full screen pretty much (that was only my impression and doesn't really fit with the description "if these touch an opponent, they become more susceptible", will have to be confirmed).

There definitely is something to do with that.

[Yaaay]

Probably not so useless. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DWP1RHZaG8 1:33 ---> Look at how high it launches them! There's definitely some potential here.

Powerful horizontal wind might also really help against zoning a character like Ragna.

[moofpie]

So, can there still be multiple lotuses on an opponent? If so, would the effects stack? Out of all the videos I've seen there's only one bat on the field.