[CP] Rachel Alucard Gameplay Discussion

[Tari]

Yeah, it's LE only. I think it's probably still available in a few places, but it's not something I'm going to be buying anyway. Money!

If I have cash later on, I'll probably ebay or yahoo auction it or something, but it's bound to be more expensive than its original price.

[TD]

it's a very detailed piece of work, very nice. whether it's worth buying outside of LE, though (where it is presumably free)...

never liked the idea of buying something that was free in the beginning.

[gamester]

I had a load of complications but I ended up pre-ordering two LE from two different websites. I need to cancel one of them though, I am certain I won't have the money to buy two xD

I'll be lucky if I can get the money together before hand to buy one. I really need a job D:

EDIT: Forgot to mention. The lights now work where the computer is at home, so I can start updating and adding to the Video Thread during the evenings again without hurting my eyes :D

Edited May 23, 2013 by gamester

[Zoular]

Dat dedication ^_^

[Minutes]

I had a load of complications but I ended up pre-ordering two LE from two different websites. I need to cancel one of them though, I am certain I won't have the money to buy two xD

I'll be lucky if I can get the money together before hand to buy one. I really need a job D:

EDIT: Forgot to mention. The lights now work where the computer is at home, so I can start updating and adding to the Video Thread during the evenings again without hurting my eyes :D

omg gamester, is there a way you could like transfer that shit my way? D;

[tofurr]

Where can I still buy the LE? Also, if I get this version, will I need to make a Japanese PSN account?

[Stoneroth]

Nin-Nin seem to be the only place still taking orders. I would try to avoid paying with a credit card as it seems to be very painful, you will need to pay upfront with PayPal though.

http://www.nin-nin-game.com/japanese-import-playstation-3-brand-new-softs/6327-blazblue-chronophantasma-limited-box-ps3-en.html

You will need to make a Japanese PSN account in order to use the dlc code. The game itself will work fine on your own PSN account.

[gamester]

Yeah, I'm thinking of cancelling my Nin-Nin one. I had to speak to my Credit/Debit Card company for the transaction/payment or whatever it's called to go through so PayPal does seem to be your best bet if you're going to use that site.

@Minutes: I doubt I'll be able to afford two so I'm going to have to cancel one for the money probably won't be there. So it wouldn't be feasible for me to try and keep them both on order, then sell the spare copy later in the future sorry. I also have no job atm, so I'm risking the chance to get the money together for one copy before October.

If Arc EU (Zen United) do a similar edition with Rachel bundle, I'll be sure to post a message here. For I'm sure they still ship internationally (I'll go and double check that as they've re-worked their online store)

[Zoular]

I hope Zen gets the figure too, I want that thing!

[RurouniLoneWolf]

I think there's a good chance that Zen will have the figurine based on their previous collectors/limited editions. No way to know for sure until they announce one though. Practically 0 chance of us getting it here in NA based on past experience but who knows, now that ASW US is a part of the picture, things will change.

[Tari]

Going through some of the more recent videos, I noticed N-O stopping his air momentum before doing a j.B:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmkKjDW-Zk4&feature=youtu.be&t=19m38s

Am I missing something, or did he just somehow cancel his j.214B into j.B? I don't remember that being in the change list, haha, but maybe I'm just reaaaaaaally out of the loop? You can't barrier cancel that, either, so....

[TD]

that was due the the 3d he used to move that pumpkin. for about a second and a half, if rachel does a wind and tries to airdash in the opposite direction, she wont move; sometimes she'll be carried in that direction anyway, but this seemed to be a case where he airdashed right as wind ended.

[kirbster]

Yeah, it's just a forward winded air backdash lol.

I wish N-O would start using Crush Trigger more in his BnBs, it looks so useful for maximizing damage and meter spending. Can't wait to play around with it myself.

[TD]

Plus, crush trigger goes into level 2 j2c and level 3 with lotus early in the combo. Surprised n-o hasn't optimized that yet.

[MashThat5A]

I think he saves his meter so he can spam tempest dahlia when he needs wind

[Tari]

that was due the the 3d he used to move that pumpkin. for about a second and a half, if rachel does a wind and tries to airdash in the opposite direction, she wont move; sometimes she'll be carried in that direction anyway, but this seemed to be a case where he airdashed right as wind ended.

Ah, you're right. The sound effect that occurred as he did the backdash was what caused me to think there was a j.214B cancel involved. Sounded similar to the pumpkin summon.

[kirbster]

I think he saves his meter so he can spam tempest dahlia when he needs wind

Every single other Rachel does that (including me lol), it's very rare that N-O uses TD for wind regen. He'd rather use TD for corner carry at the end of a combo... A bit too often though, most of the time he could just use like 6cd for the same result and save his meter.

Oh well, who am I to question the god. Inb4 heretic

[Zoular]

Plus, crush trigger goes into level 2 j2c and level 3 with lotus early in the combo. Surprised n-o hasn't optimized that yet.

Not enough training mode time/options maybe. He has been playing around with Lotus midscreen

[gli]

Sort of off-topic but if you want to read about N-O's thought process you could always revisit this article:

FROM DA GAWD HIMSELF

Bits and pieces are general enough to apply to any fighting game.

[TD]

Rereading that kinda made me think, hmm, rachel has a very similar neutral to venom. That's probably why n-o feels so comfortable with her.

[kro_]

Using crush trigger prevents you from gaining meter for the rest of the combo right? I'm pretty sure he prioritizes meter gain for better positioning and wind conservation over the extra damage. Ending a full midscreen combo with TD or a corner combo with BBL usually gives better wind regen and oki than crush trigger combos at basically the same net meter cost. He does use crush trigger if the combo is strong enough to kill though.

[gli]

Rereading that kinda made me think, hmm, rachel has a very similar neutral to venom. That's probably why n-o feels so comfortable with her.

Setplay. Similar neutral game. Reliant on momentum. Yeah I'd say so too lol

[samthegreat]

I love the way he thinks and I agree with everything; this pretty much defines the kind of thought process I want to have while playing Rachel in neutral (so hard lol).

I'd forgotten about this post and reading it again just gave me one more reason to dickride N-O

Edited May 27, 2013 by samthegreat

[TD]

new red rachel is decent, does a lot of stuff similar to n-o. also does two new(?) things

...bbl 236a 236a8d bbl works in the corner despite the decent length combo and the smp. so a two pole bbl is almost guaranteed with 100 heat.

lotus is combo-able. he didnt confirm it but air ch seem to be how to combo into them. ground ch doesn't look like it has enough hitstun, but l could be wrong.

[Zoular]

new red rachel is decent, does a lot of stuff similar to n-o. also does two new(?) things

...bbl 236a 236a8d bbl works in the corner despite the decent length combo and the smp. so a two pole bbl is almost guaranteed with 100 heat.

I believe I've seen that done with 236B after 236A also, they delayed the 8D long enough and the Lobelia was already set, after 236B hit they went into BBL. Was done in the corner too.

EDIT: Also that Jin couldn't burst during it, so it's a good round ender.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Zoular