Daedron Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 AAAAAHHHH~~ Be gone with thou spoilers, you evil-doer! AAAHH~ AH!!! Why?!?! Inb4 Ragna dies but then gets brought back as Robo-Ragna.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 Tsubaki doesn't really have any reason to like Ragna when you stop and think about it. I mean when she was apart of the NOL, he technically was a criminal and still is. And everything that's happened between her, Jin, and Noel has him at the center of it all(Jin abandoned the NOL to go after Ragna, and Noel then went after Jin), and now she's aware that he's a disaster waiting to happen. That, and she's obviously jelly of the yaoi him and Jin got going on. I find it funny how much hate Ragna has gotten from this girl despite not doing anything to her directly, it's like everyone hates Ragna for one reason or another. It's gonna be quite interesting to see her reaction to Jin being his brother, and Noel technically being their sister, I look forward to that.
kylehyde Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) This is just me but, what if they kill the current Ragna and since their doing the whole Caelica back from the past thing. They end up plucking Bloodedge and bring him to the current time and for the last game we'll be playing as Bloodedge instead? Damn this weed. I like Tsubaki, but thats the one part that I hate about her. Her hatred for Ragna are up there with Hakumen. He has yet to do anything to her, and he's a decent guy, hell he's way nicer than freaking Jin. Edited February 28, 2013 by kylehyde
Ctrlaltwtf Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 It's gonna be quite interesting to see her reaction to Jin being his brother, and Noel technically being their sister, I look forward to that. IT ALL LEADS etc.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 I like Tsubaki, but thats the one part that I hate about her. Her hatred for Ragna are up there with Hakumen. He has yet to do anything to her, and he's a decent guy, hell he's way nicer than freaking Jin. That's partially what makes me feel so sorry for Ragna, he doesn't deserve half of the shit he gets and yet it keeps piling on. At least he takes it in stride and doesn't seem too bothered by it, but goddamn, his life suuuuuxxxxx.
Yazumatto Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 The random hate Ragna gets is why I can't really hate the guy. He gets the worst shit for no reason. Whenever I have a crappy day, I think, "well, at least I'm not Ragna."
harmless kitten Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 This is just me but, what if they kill the current Ragna and since their doing the whole Caelica back from the past thing. They end up plucking Bloodedge and bring him to the current time and for the last game we'll be playing as Bloodedge instead? Damn this weed. NO I mean, no. That's a bad idea. Also I don't think Ragna had a wibbly wobbly mirror moment like Celica did... Or at least, I damn hope so. I like Tsubaki, but thats the one part that I hate about her. Her hatred for Ragna are up there with Hakumen. He has yet to do anything to her, and he's a decent guy, hell he's way nicer than freaking Jin. Eh? From her perspective, she has no reasons to like him. She doesn't know that he's a decent guy. The information she has been fed is that Jin abandoned everything to run after him, and he lured Noel out of her position as well. She can't very well blame the NOL for giving Noel those orders and condemning Jin, so she blames Ragna instead. He's an easy, acceptable target, and a criminal to boot. Ragna's job is to suffer. Luckily, he suffers beautifully.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 I think that's why Ragna works so well as a protagonist; no matter how decent of a guy you may be, not everyone is going to like you. Except for Ragna's case, everyone seems to curse his very existence and either has nothing nice to say to him, or outright trying to kill him. He arguably has it the worst out of the entire cast, which is saying something considering everyone's life sucks to some degree.
kylehyde Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 She has no reason to hate him either, all that stuff happened because the people she cares about chased after him, not the other way around. It's like, she doesn't give a shit about anyone who isn't a friend of hers. In a lot of ways, she's a lot scarier than Terumi is, I mean that chick wants him dead, and I think she would sacrafice anyone to make it happen.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 ^She has no reason to hate him either, all that stuff happened because the people she cares about chased after him, not the other way around. It's like, she doesn't give a shit about anyone who isn't a friend of hers. In a lot of ways, she's a lot scarier than Terumi is, I mean that chick wants him dead, and I think she would sacrafice anyone to make it happen. It's not so much she doesn't give a shit about anyone not her friends, it's that from Tsubaki's perspective Ragna isn't exactly the best guy around. She doesn't know him personally enough to know how decent of a guy he is, she only knows the criminal and destroyer of the world and given that context alone, she has no reason to like him at all. Hell Hakumen should look even worse in this regard because he's perfectly aware who Ragna is to him, but chooses to not let personal feelings get in the way of his duty. Tsubaki is misinformed, Hakumen however just doesn't care. I
Chaoschao222 Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 About that... Don't link to sites with pornographic ads.
Tong Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 Hm, had no idea because of ad blocker lol thought about uploading somewhere else, but the TL would be lost... oh well, carry on then
kylehyde Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 It's not so much she doesn't give a shit about anyone not her friends, it's that from Tsubaki's perspective Ragna isn't exactly the best guy around. She doesn't know him personally enough to know how decent of a guy he is, she only knows the criminal and destroyer of the world and given that context alone, she has no reason to like him at all. Hell Hakumen should look even worse in this regard because he's perfectly aware who Ragna is to him, but chooses to not let personal feelings get in the way of his duty. Tsubaki is misinformed, Hakumen however just doesn't care. I So your saying if she knew that he's a decent guy she would not have that hate for him? I honestly at this point don't think it matters, I doubt it would change her opinion of him. I understand that she see's him as a criminal, but the way she feels about him is more like a personal vendetta.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 So your saying if she knew that he's a decent guy she would not have that hate for him? I honestly at this point don't think it matters, I doubt it would change her opinion of him. I understand that she see's him as a criminal, but the way she feels about him is more like a personal vendetta. If she knew who Ragna is, I'd think she'd at least feel a bit sympathetic towards him considering how much of an influence he's had in the lives of her closest friends. But that's just me.
kylehyde Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 If she knew who Ragna is, I'd think she'd at least feel a bit sympathetic towards him considering how much of an influence he's had in the lives of her closest friends. But that's just me. I guess where just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't know how accurate the Rachel arcade convo with Izayoi is, but I think Rachel kind of tried in a sense tell her that Ragna is not the guy she think she is. Izayoi didn't really seem to want to hear excuses. And this is after the fact that she is "free". But see, now she see's him as the source of all evil. Forget the criminal stuff, she's got a whole bunch of new reasons to want to kill the poor bastard lol.
LiveWireX Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 I think that's why Ragna works so well as a protagonist; no matter how decent of a guy you may be, not everyone is going to like you. Except for Ragna's case, everyone seems to curse his very existence and either has nothing nice to say to him, or outright trying to kill him. He arguably has it the worst out of the entire cast, which is saying something considering everyone's life sucks to some degree. Except for Jubei and Tao of course. As long as Good Guy keeps feeding her, she'll be happy and like him.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 Hm, had no idea because of ad blocker lol thought about uploading somewhere else, but the TL would be lost... oh well, carry on then Here, allow me: http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6635/b579c24fe7c3b12c929acf9w.jpg
BlackYakuzu94 Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 I guess where just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't know how accurate the Rachel arcade convo with Izayoi is, but I think Rachel kind of tried in a sense tell her that Ragna is not the guy she think she is. Izayoi didn't really seem to want to hear excuses. And this is after the fact that she is "free". But see, now she see's him as the source of all evil. Forget the criminal stuff, she's got a whole bunch of new reasons to want to kill the poor bastard lol. Well that this point everyone has a reason to kill Ragna for one reason or another, one more isn't going to make him lose any sleep. I think Rachel was just being Rachel, and telling her that if she wants to kill Ragna that's her own business, but when he "dies" she wants Izayoi to kill her too. But hey, it's just Ragna's luck that he's got apart of the creature that almost destroyed the world attached to his arm, and that it's one day going to revive said beast.
heavymetalmixer Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 Here, allow me: http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6635/b579c24fe7c3b12c929acf9w.jpg And he's still alive after all that shit, really impressive.
kylehyde Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) The Bang slide is pretty damn funny. "I think Rachel was just being Rachel, and telling her that if she wants to kill Ragna that's her own business, but when he "dies" she wants Izayoi to kill her too." I still don't know why she says that, not the part of her wanting to die if Ragna get's killed. But the part where she like don't give a damn if he dies now. She spent CS trying to prevent him from fighting Terumi, now she don't care who kills him. What the fuck man Jumping off the Rach and Rags ship and jumping on board the Noel and Rags ship Edited February 28, 2013 by kylehyde
BlackYakuzu94 Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 The Bang slide is pretty damn funny. "I think Rachel was just being Rachel, and telling her that if she wants to kill Ragna that's her own business, but when he "dies" she wants Izayoi to kill her too." I still don't know why she says that, not the part of her wanting to die if Ragna get's killed. But the part where she like don't give a damn if he dies now. She spent CS trying to prevent him from fighting Terumi, now she don't care who kills him. What the fuck man Jumping off the Rach and Rags ship and jumping on board the Noel and Rags ship That's Tsundere logic for ya.
kylehyde Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 That's Tsundere logic for ya. Oh man, that damn Tsundere >.> Can't wait to play the console version to find out what ultimately happens to Ragna.
Tokkan Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 I think it might be like she has some sort of reckless plan involving Ragna and it requires both of them to die (if at least temporarily) in order to work. The fact she said die and kill in quotes makes me think there's some other meaning behind it.
mitsuyoshi Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 Now let's face reality,if Ragna going to die what will happen to the sequel and even if he do die he just need someone to maintain his soul and Noel can observe him to maintain him in this world and he still have a lifelink with Nu so if you want to kill Ragna you have to kill Nu first and you have to kill them at the same time which is almost impossible to do and i think this kind of thing already happen in CS where everyone always say that Ragna cannot defeat Terumi,but he end up behind the expectation of every character in this game,so i bet Rachel just being mean again.
raziel12 Posted February 28, 2013 Posted February 28, 2013 well i hope if he do plans to die its only temporarily and during the time of his death he meets Bloodedge or somthing and they fight and bloodedge tells him wat he truly is but you never know ragna death might be the only way for them to escape the time loops and knowing rachel might help him during the events and a plan to bring him back so in the mean time during ragna death Amaterasu might truly awaken since ragna is the origin that caused everything to begin with since Celica making a apperance and saya a playable character on the ps3 this story is a perfect chance for bloodedge to make apperance on the console too and face ragna hopefully i cross my finger to this lol but i doubt it will happen
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