Soothesayer Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I recall Mori saying how CP's story would have like separate parts or something, so maybe Azrael will be the major arc villain for one of those parts, which is why he's being made out to be so strong.
YukiBlue Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Maybe. Though with it being BB I'm fully expecting him to lose a fight against someone in seconds flat to serve the plot. Most likely against Terumi or Hakumen, Y'know. Just because. It's not like we've had enough of Terumi + Hakumen defeating everyone.
Starlight777 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 It's not like we've had enough of Terumi + Hakumen defeating everyone. I'm already starting to miss the times when Rachel and Nu did this to everyone.
SolxBaiken Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Why does everyone label Azrael as "evil" or a "villain", did I miss the part where he curb stomps baby kittens for jollies? In fact if I'm not mistaken, nearly every fight he's in was instigated...BY THE OTHER PERSON! There's probably 1/4 of the cast that are even on his radar, and he doesn't seem the least bit interested in the cluster storm of a plot that came before him. He just wants to kick Ragna's ass because the whole world hyped him up ; -;
psycofang2 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 ^that also why is everyone acting like there inst a possibility that there is someone stronger than the current cast just hiding out or being locked up in some place? possibly sleeping? thats usually how super powered up guys come about but Azraels makes sense, he was in prison possibly long before the advantures and ragna ever started. which means hes been around and is just super strong and the rest of the cast just arent up to speed.
Starlight777 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) He's not evil at all, he just likes fighting for the sake of fighting. Aside from having to drag Ragna to Sector Seven, he's neutral. I think it's been awhile since a fighting game character has had an incredibly plain background story. Edited April 4, 2013 by Starlight777
Moy_X7 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Yeah, Azz doesn't strike me as "evil" or as a "villain". He's a simple man, you cross his path and you're going to get fucked up. You have some sort of reputation for being strong, you're going to get fucked up. There's no good or evil in his eyes, there are just obstacles and strong opponents, it doesn't matter if they belong to the "good guys" or the "bad guys". He'd probably try and fuck Hazama and Platinum up if he knew that the souls of two of the Six Heroes dwell within them. I'm definitely interested in Azz's entire background though. Just how was he imprisoned? How many people has he killed?
zeth07 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 They fucked up with Azrael, You can't just throw in a newbie and makes him THIS Uber stronk that he laughs in the face of the protagonist and the heroes. C'mon Moriiiii iirc Azrael imposed the limiter on himself to stop his opponents dying too quickly From the beginning when he was first introduced we already knew there's a character exactly like him in another genre that I probably don't need to say who. So I don't see how they "fucked up" by making a newly introduced character strong, seems kinda irrelevant to me at least. I don't think there's some writer rule that all new characters have to suck when first introduced whether good guy or bad guy. And in the case of "bad guys", I think it makes MORE SENSE for them to be introduced as being powerful so that the "hero" can overcome them (at some point)....you know cause that's the whole point of those kinds of stories. Let's just call a spade a spade, Azrael is a "bad guy" compared to most of the cast. He sure isn't doing any good at the moment. I would say look up whatever tropes you feel like are applicable, cause I'm sure there's a specific one that fits him to a tee.
psycofang2 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Yeah, Azz doesn't strike me as "evil" or as a "villain". He's a simple man, you cross his path and you're going to get fucked up. You have some sort of reputation for being strong, you're going to get fucked up. There's no good or evil in his eyes, there are just obstacles and strong opponents, it doesn't matter if they belong to the "good guys" or the "bad guys". He'd probably try and fuck Hazama and Platinum up if he knew that the souls of two of the Six Heroes dwell within them. I'm definitely interested in Azz's entire background though. Just how was he imprisoned? How many people has he killed? he was imprisoned for killing his own allies during the war, as well as killing his enemies. he didnt care, he just killed everyone. im guessing thats where he got his nick name "Mad Dog" or "Insane Beast". what i want to know is how he got as powerful as he did, his stories pretty simple cut and dry atm: we let you out of jail go get ragna and bring him back here. everything else is just kinda how he is, kill what even looks remotely strong.
TPPR10 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 To anser to "How many people has he killed", one of names Jin calls him by is GENOCIDER! So his body count must be over a thousand at least.
mAc Chaos Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Azrael is basically Broly. He doesn't seem like the "major villain" type since he has no grand plans. Just go around and blow shit up. I guess that could be a whole plot arc, but it's more likely that the cast will be busy dealing with Terumi, then AZRAEL OUT OF NOWHERE to throw everybody's plans down the toilet. I would definitely put him as a villain though. Just the brutish unsophisticated type. If you don't care about human life and just do whatever you want no matter the harm it causes, then that's a villain. Edited April 4, 2013 by mAc Chaos
Moy_X7 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 he was imprisoned for killing his own allies during the war, as well as killing his enemies. I said "how" not "why" Maybe Kokonoe used her magic to restrain him? They shot a tranquilizer dart at him? A bunch of super strong characters subdued him? Yeah, he definitely got those names for being the berserk character that he is. I hope they give a sort of flash back to the scene where he just goes ham on everyone lol.
TPPR10 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 And now I have a mental image of Hazama telling the heroes his plan, and then BOOM, Azrael jacket kicks Hazama out of nowhere and then being like like "Did I miss anything?" Well, that, or Azrael screwing all of the heroes and then BOOM, Hazama Serpent's Trolling Rapturing Azrael to the Milky Way and being like "Thanks for help."
SoWL Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I just can't consider Azrael evil after all the silly stuff his VA has done on BuruRaji. Funny how I never really cared about him before, but now he's one of my favorite male actors. On a real tip, what explanation does anyone have for Azreal's Overpoweredness. Nanomachines, son.
Starlight777 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Maybe Kokonoe used her magic to restrain him? They shot a tranquilizer dart at him? A bunch of super strong characters subdued him? I'm going to go with the first guess. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say his limiters are magical in nature as well. It shouldn't be called Enchant Dragunov for nothing.
psycofang2 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I said "how" not "why" Maybe Kokonoe used her magic to restrain him? They shot a tranquilizer dart at him? A bunch of super strong characters subdued him? Yeah, he definitely got those names for being the berserk character that he is. I hope they give a sort of flash back to the scene where he just goes ham on everyone lol. im thinking it was the same magic that was used to seal hakumen since it has no true physical form. making Azrael unable to break free.
TPPR10 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 One question what comes in mind is how did they kept Azrael locked away all this time? If Kokonoe would use her magic to seal him away, how did the rest of Sector Seven let him loose ( I doubt they would have power to break Kokonoe's magic). Or did Azrael really just decide to chill down because him breaking loose would just cause uneeded weight on his back. As crazy it might sound, he isn't always the one who brings the fight to others (Bang's arcade has him running to Azrael while he is just chilling around)
mAc Chaos Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 im thinking it was the same magic that was used to seal hakumen since it has no true physical form. making Azrael unable to break free. But it sounds like he can take them off at will... which makes a pretty bad seal.
Moy_X7 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Mmm, I guess we'll just have to wait and see but I'm guessing that magic was needed after all to subdue a monster like him. As for the whole "Azrael is a villain thing", what if he killed one of the bad guys just because he felt like it or because they got on his way, would that make him a "hero"? Then again, we all know that's not going to happen. It doesn't seem like he has any interest or if he's even aware of some of the bad guys like Litchi, Arakune, Tsubaki and Hazama.
zeth07 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 One question what comes in mind is how did they kept Azrael locked away all this time? If Kokonoe would use her magic to seal him away, how did the rest of Sector Seven let him loose ( I doubt they would have power to break Kokonoe's magic). Or did Azrael really just decide to chill down because him breaking loose would just cause uneeded weight on his back. As crazy it might sound, he isn't always the one who brings the fight to others (Bang's arcade has him running to Azrael while he is just chilling around) Mmm, I guess we'll just have to wait and see but I'm guessing that magic was needed after all to subdue a monster like him. As for the whole "Azrael is a villain thing", what if he killed one of the bad guys just because he felt like it or because they got on his way, would that make him a "hero"? Then again, we all know that's not going to happen. It doesn't seem like he has any interest or if he's even aware of some of the bad guys like Litchi, Arakune, Tsubaki and Hazama. The higher-ups of Sector Seven released him, he was imprisoned, he wasn't like "sealed away" in some magical land. It doesn't really matter how they detained him. Azrael is specifically sent after the BlazBlue by the higher-ups of Sector Seven, and you can assume it is "by any means necessary". But he doesn't specifically care about the task at hand because he personally just wants to "eat" strong enemies. Going after the BlazBlue (that Ragna has) is a formality which was blatantly obvious the way he talked to Ragna about it. In his own arcade mode he fights: Valkenhayn-Specifically comes after Azrael, Azrael did "something" to Rachel apparently. Maybe Azrael is now somehow part vampire because of this, which might be touched upon during his intro with Ragna. Tager-Azrael "finds" Tager. It sounds like he was also sent to deal with Tager and Kokonoe by the higher-ups of Sector Seven. Before and after beating Tager he specifically mentions going after Kokonoe next. Jin-Azrael runs into Jin, probably on purpose while looking for Ragna. He figures Jin more than likely knows where Ragna is. And of course because Jin is the "Hero of Ikaruga", Azrael feels the need to "eat" him. Apparently notices/senses Ragna after beating Jin. Ragna-Azrael finds Ragna. Ragna says something along the lines of Azrael isn't "human" which all the other opponents are questioning why Azrael is so powerful when he's just a "human". Azrael more or less says that's ironic coming from Ragna. Then Azrael goes through the formality of asking Ragna for the BlazBlue (clearing* his throat and changing his tone of voice and sounding unenthusiastic). Of course Ragna says no and Azrael gets his chance to just fight Ragna like he really wanted. There's really nothing "good" about anything he's done in the past or currently in the game. While there's a number of things "bad" about him. It's not to say he can't do a Heel Face Turn at some point like the character he closely resembles, but as it stands now I'd say he's as much of a "villain" as Arakune is since they are both going after the BlazBlue/Ragna.
psycofang2 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 But it sounds like he can take them off at will... which makes a pretty bad seal. thats not the seal i ment, i ment the infinite algorithm seal kokonoe used to hold hakumen down, not enchant. its a restraint seal with magical chains with complex algorithms running through it.
Moy_X7 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 It doesn't really matter how they detained him. I don't know man, him being the omnipotent berserk that he is, I would like to know just what exactly it took to stop him. Then again, it was probably something insignificantly simple. Valkenhayn-Specifically comes after Azrael, Azrael did "something" to Rachel apparently. Maybe Azrael is now somehow part vampire because of this, which might be touched upon during his intro with Ragna. Holy crap, I knew that Azrael did something to Rachel since I saw his translated arcade mode play-through but I didn't know that he might have acquired vampire powers while he was at it. Ragna-Azrael finds Ragna. Ragna says something along the lines of Azrael isn't "human" which all the other opponents are questioning why Azrael is so powerful when he's just a "human". Azrael more or less says that's ironic coming from Ragna. Then Azrael goes through the formality of asking Ragna for the BlazBlue (clearing* his throat and changing his tone of voice and sounding unenthusiastic). Of course Ragna says no and Azrael gets his chance to just fight Ragna like he really wanted. Wasn't it implied that Ragna is an artificial human or something? I wonder if Azrael knows just who and what Ragna is exactly. There's really nothing "good" about anything he's done in the past or currently in the game. While there's a number of things "bad" about him. It's not to say he can't do a Heel Face Turn at some point like the character he closely resembles, but as it stands now I'd say he's as much of a "villain" as Arakune is since they are both going after the BlazBlue/Ragna. I guess he's his own kind of villain. He's not out to conquer/destroy the world like the others but fighting and killing people for the helluvit, specially when it just so happens that all of the "good guys" are well-known, powerful individuals, doesn't exactly make him neutral either. You kill the good guys for the lulz and to test yourself, and you're no longer a neutral force, I suppose.
TD Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 hes a chaotic neutral fellow. (azreal) im sad he was able to beat rachel. :< interesting to see how he'll be taken down, hopefully not by kokonoe.
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