Chaoschao222 Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 It was supposed to read, "I'm never dropping this character ever." I know, I was just agreeing with your way of thinking. The ^^ was basically "this," the rest was unnecessary filler text~
STenSatsu Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 My entire fun was in combos, which s now removed or reduced drastically, so I am touched by this change. There's almost always style potential for any character. Optimal shit will be optimal though.
Bibiquadium Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 Just the fact that you are timed based on your starter is a huge limitation.
YukiBlue Posted January 3, 2013 Posted January 3, 2013 I've never seen a Makoto player do a reset. Ever. Why hasn't anyone done this shit yet? And simple routes lead to stronger neutral, stronger pressure, stronger fundamentals. Makoto has all the tools, and now she can focus on using them then just muscle memory the optimal combo. Well. That's what I'm gonna do.
Errol Posted January 3, 2013 Posted January 3, 2013 When you can get decent oki with comet cannon I don't think I'd go for resets much. Plus when I go for resets usually it's because I can't get much more damage and the opponent is still on the ground (won't be able to tech). That's Tsubaki. Makoto doesn't get much dmg till she puts them in a techable state and gets a lot of damage after that so it's not something I would think of doing. I dunno what the possibilities could be, I don't feel potential so I don't wonder why makoto players aren't doing it tho
Bibiquadium Posted January 3, 2013 Posted January 3, 2013 I do resets but they arent anything special because it isn't Makoto's speciality.
StarGazer Posted January 3, 2013 Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) I don't think Makoto or any character in Blazblue have a combos/confirms that are difficult to the extend that they ruin your focus on other aspects of the game, neither they take a lot of time to learn, i mean, even Carl took me only three days to nail down all his stuff. Anyway, our neutral game have a very deep growth potential in the same time its really easy to play even from the first time, i'm emphasizing on this point particularly because Makoto neutral is about pin point spacing, whiffing and punishing, these stuff are not noticeable or appreciated by the normal player. Here are some examples i took up from the Goro video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVjxwxqKHv4 @0:25 Great Anti Air @0:29 Godlike whiff punish, he even halted his advance without using a guard cancel @1:06 Epic, he probably delayed his pressure to bait the CA or used 2A~1B OS to continue the pressure or bait the CA if the 2A whiffs @1:20 He got out of the wolf cannon range and once valk whiffed it he prepared to chase/punish his dash cancel @1:26 Once his 2A whiffed he reacted with a jump barrier to chase down Valk if he jumps out, and he was right, so he confirmed and continued what he was doing and managed to score a j.C @1:30 Gagaga expects Goro to rush in after backing off so he throws in a preemptive fast w.A to stop him, Goro holds his ground and bait it, once it whiffs he confirmed into a punish right on the tip of the 2B, if he was late a 1 frame he would have missed, well played. But valk hitbox changes when you hit him, that's why he whiffed the 5B follow up lol @5:40 Amazing spacing, avoiding the j.2C, and then into a 5C punish with a j.CC I guess that enough to prove my point, Makoto Neutral does not have the greatest depth, its just people looks down on it too much and doesn't appreciate it. Also, her offense gets more scary the better you can confirm guards and the better you get at reading your opponent habits. Its safe to say that we have plenty off stuff to play with instead off spending a lot of time in training room learning combos in CP. I've never seen a Makoto player do a reset. Ever. Why hasn't anyone done this shit yet? If you are speaking of CP, its because in most cases Makoto can just launch the opponent all way to corner for a very good reward and a solid orb oki. Personally, i think Makoto resets are good and have a lot of variety, you just don't watch real Makoto players in EX since they are near extinct. Edit: Anyone noticed how the tip dash nerf is damaging our pressure? http://youtu.be/FVjxwxqKHv4?t=2m23s Also, what the heck is happening here? http://youtu.be/FVjxwxqKHv4?t=6m12s Edited January 3, 2013 by StarGazer
Yazumatto Posted January 3, 2013 Posted January 3, 2013 Trolling at it's finest. That or Oberon trying to buy time from an unstoppable force that paid off in the end.
MoneyD90 Posted January 3, 2013 Posted January 3, 2013 No ideal what Goro should have done to get out of that BS. lol. Idk maybe trying 3C?
psycofang2 Posted January 3, 2013 Posted January 3, 2013 Also, what the heck is happening here? http://youtu.be/FVjxwxqKHv4?t=6m12s what. the. fuck. glad i can do something about that but holy shit that was kinda retarded.
YukiBlue Posted January 3, 2013 Posted January 3, 2013 Could of just ran and got a freeish 6A after the 2nd JD.
StarGazer Posted January 3, 2013 Posted January 3, 2013 Dunno, that doesn't look possible or the Mu player could react to such thing, just don't let her get away if she have health advantage. or just slap your opponent if you are not netplaying
StarGazer Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Weekly news cast http://sp.bbcp.ac/ranking_view.php?mode=exe&type=psr_rank&couse=&charactor=mk&pref=0 Goro tops Makoto ranking with 15 Dan and is currently ranked the 4# on all characters. The gap is ridiculous between Goro and the rest of the Makotos, he tops the best Makotos by 3 ranks which is quite high, my god, I told you guys Goro Makoto is phenomenon, he just don't get enough credit since he plays an unpopular character :8/:. Oh and he left his Nu at Dan 9, her statistics are pretty good but not as good as his Makoto, i think he even won a tourney with her. Also he did play Izayoi but dropped her pretty quick, right after 70 match. Hase is playing Makoto again (11 Dan), he had the best and most unique Slayer i ever saw back in GG, he looks quite strong and we actually saw him ocv'ing a team back in SOB, sick stuff i must watch him playing the better CP Makoto. In case anyone wondered how ridiculous his Slayer was then watch this I caught Dio having a 7 Dan Makoto, his Carl is currently the best with 14 Dan ranking and i don't think he will change to Makoto anytime soon, but if he ever did, it will be interesting to see the ABA rushdown on Makoto. The highest damage ever done by Makoto in a real match was 8259 by Kuroku (the Makoto combo videos god), i'm a big fan of him <3 http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/45148/1357164137/335 Tier list S: Taokaka, Hazama, Hakumen, Jin, Litchi A+: Mu, Azrael, Valkenhayn, Relius A: Ragna, Carl, Arakune, Rachel, Tsubaki, Bang, Platinum, Nu B: The Others Notes: Carl and Arakune could climb up to S in any instance, their ranking is highly unstable. Also, having the rest of characters as B is harsh, the rest of characters are good enough to be A or at least B+, not B! The game looks balanced so far, although it changed a lot yet it didn't break its balance, good stuff asw. Also, Makoto looks promising actually, there is a high chance that we would leave the bottom anytime soon especially with Goro salt affecting the Japanese right now.
MoneyD90 Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Makoto being B tier is funny considering what she can do now. I hope people keep thinking she is only B tier so we can troll again. "What? I'm only low tier"
Errol Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 goro is crazy good. He pulled stuff off in CSEX too.. Like konan with Tsubaki. Makoto looks fun, really might play again.
HiagoX Posted January 5, 2013 Author Posted January 5, 2013 jBBS tier lists should be taken with a grain of salt.
StarGazer Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) Big thanks to all who contributed to the video thread <3 Makoto being B tier is funny considering what she can do now. I hope people keep thinking she is only B tier so we can troll again. "What? I'm only low tier" I can relate to that. In EX all match ups were like disadvantageous, plus we had a good amount of pretty bad match ups. But none of this in CP, so far only the top characters are giving us a trouble in CP which means we are on the right track . Ah! and no, low tier OS never worked for me 3; Trust me, i expected something like "oh look at that player rocking and staying loyal to Makoto" when i played EX, but if anything then i'm still getting disrespected by other players actually lol, but its nothing like the dark days of CS2... Edited January 6, 2013 by StarGazer
Bibiquadium Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 OS as in my character isn't S tier anymore so I drop the game?
Zoular Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/45148/1357164137/335 Tier list S: Taokaka, Hazama, Hakumen, Jin, Litchi A+: Mu, Azrael, Valkenhayn, Relius A: Ragna, Carl, Arakune, Rachel, Tsubaki, Bang, Platinum, Nu B: The Others So, Makoto Amane Noel Tager Bullet Izayoi in B right? Seeing what they can all do, I'd agree B+ would of been more accurate, non-the-less it all looks good.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD68v5yg4no&feature=youtu.be&t=33s What move is this after Lunatic Rush?
StarGazer Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD68v5yg4no&feature=youtu.be&t=33s What move is this after Lunatic Rush? Lander Blow
Blubba_Pinecone Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I have this terrible feeling that I've brought my low tier curse to Makoto. Every character in every game I've ever played always ends up being low tier... except Chie in P4A, but whatever. Also, wanted you guys to know that I won't be able to update the video thread until later next week; it's currently caught up with the most recent posts. I'm going to NJ for the weekend to attend Apex 2013 (the Evo of Smash, if you're not familiar). So hype. Will be competing in Melee singles and P4A. I was training for the event pretty much all winter break, which is why I've been so lurky here, lol.
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