[CP] Jin Gameplay Discussion

[Dawn of Musou]

Yeah I remember, those were the good days lol. I mean they haven't been recorded recently. Probably because, the last Nibonbashi set was like 2-3 weeks ago and even then, he only played the last 2 matches lol. I don't remember seeing Ronitta since the last Fujisawa set which was 2 weeks ago I think? Maybe I'm just be greedy with my Jin footage lol.

More Eruo would be good too, he knows how to swag. Same for Churara.

[eQualz]

I think we're pretty lucky that Ronitta has this much screen time. He's always been one of my favourite Jin's along with Shirushi and KEI, who like disappeared, so I'm glad we got to see him a whole lot more than we used to.

More Eruo would be good too, he knows how to swag. Same for Churara.

Exactly.

[Jourdal]

Ronitta takes a crack at tetsuwo.

then dies really bad to udon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wTbhZDgkL1M&t=550

[Moy_X7]

I don't really mind having Tetsu switch over to the Rachel side, his Rachel is pretty fun to watch.

As for our next lord and savior, I would have to say Fenrichi. His Jin is the most solid out of all of them, although Ronitta's is probably the most fun to watch since he's not afraid to use a gimmick here and there.

[Dawn of Musou]

Tetsu vs Rontta was a pretty good match. DP bait burst too strong.

Udon match made me sad though.

Edited July 25, 2013 by Dawn of Musou

[Jyosua]

I was doubting the mook's correctness on 5B being -6, so Kurushii and I counted the frames on one of the recordings I did during AX. Sure enough, we both counted 33 frames, so unless the active frames are incorrect, it's -6.

[Moy_X7]

Such is reality, RIP 5B pressure

You could always try to reset pressure with 2B and frame trap people with 2B > 2C/delayed 5C if they want to mash out lol

[Jyosua]

That's what I'm probably going to do. But I just didn't want to believe 5B had that much recovery. ;_;

[Jourdal]

Ronitta VS Mokemoke Relius

http://youtu.be/jjIizlIr2fU

http://youtu.be/AyQWLr97fGs

http://youtu.be/po3LSTowHyE

[Dawn of Musou]

Remember to call me stupid if I ever say there's not enough Ronitta footage again. Gotta watch these later.

[Jourdal]

Ronitta VS Pikuri Tsubaki

http://youtu.be/GFIAUl3VJO4

http://youtu.be/ViJeHS8GEEQ

http://youtu.be/dkmM6ksd0uA

[Lucien]

Did I just read RIP 5B pressure? ;________;

I need to start checking DL more often.

[Jyosua]

Yeah, the staple pressure tool that was effectively the first thing I learned about offense with Jin? NOT ANYMORE! Man, I would have never imagined this back in 2011.

[darkasjinksu§]

I don't really know why you'd use 5B to reset pressure, the only thing you can use before it is 5a, 2a, and 2b. I mean, I know I'm (probably) not the best Jin, but it seems like it's pointless when everybody blocks low until 5b anyway.

[xlolxlolx]

you dont understand what pressure reset means, do you? anything move that has a static difference that is better than -4 in bb can technically be used as a pressure reset, jin's ground pressure overall is a load of shit, but with 5b being +/- 0 it lets you start a new pressure string assuming you dont get mashed out by a 6f move/dp and opens up a new opportunity to get a hit on them

[darkasjinksu§]

Hmm? I thought the definition of "pressure reset" was axiomatic, I've just never found a real, consistent use for 5B as a pressure reset. It's extremely easy, if gimmicky, to reset Jin's pressure anyway.

[Putin]

I play lots of Hakumens so no 5B resets isn't going to change my life dramatically #0framereversals

Haku a shit

[Jyosua]

Well, don't forget you can, while probably still very difficult, react to his counters with a rapid and block the followup attack in this next iteration.

I find a 5B pressure reset pretty helpful and tend to use it after I trick my opponent into thinking I'm going for a tick throw: 2A > 2A , dash > 2A , dash > 2A > 2A > 5B , 5B > frametraps

Often I find the second 5B tags them.

[darkasjinksu§]

I've had this suspicion for a while, and I don't remember seeing it on the wiki, but after testing for a bit, I've noticed that the first hit applies both the P1 and the P2 along with combo rate. I assumed the first hit only applied P1... That means that -along with a few others- 5B followup hits will do more damage than 5C, 6B more than 6C, and 6A more than our fatal(!). Although, I might just be derping, and this was all obvious...

[Jyosua]

It's definitely true that P2 is also applied. As for as why 6C seems better than 6B despite the latter having the better P2, I'm pretty sure that's because the combo routes end up being slightly more optimal (less lower P2 moves needed) for a 6C starter, leading to overall better damage.

While you might be right about 5B(2) being a better starter than 5C, good luck confirming that. XD

[darkasjinksu§]

I meant the hits after 5B, both of the hits count as a single hit, so it's always better to hit them both, excluding aircombos and such.

And yeah, I wasn't talking about combo potential, just damage of the following hits.

[OmegaBankai]

Can you still do 2C>5C on block?

Also, does it look better to either do 3C sekkajin for midscreen rushdown, or go for the Ice car without followup?

Anyone find someone using Air Ice Blade effectively? I mean thats 25 meter... and im pretty sure that situationally speaking, you would only use that move in the corner due to its *fraudulent* angle.

Would have been so much better if it had some more curve... I feel like Hizangeki would be the better option *If it hits anyway* since it has a longer trajectory, and can call people out.

Also, been seeing people use Hizansen as a spacing tool lol. Its about time.

Regarding hakumen and 5B, 5B is an unfortunate loss, but you should always try to test your opponents patience, and i'm more worried about getting 10k'd then some expendable pressure option.

Besides theres plenty of other stuff you can do in CP to compensate, j.D is a free crossup, and if your opponent isnt paying attention you can get a free grab..

I need to see some more of that 6C EX Ice Car Whiff C followup, looks cool, wonder how much damage you can get off it...

[shtkn]

uh... 2C > 5C was removed in EX and is still removed this game too. However you can JC 2C on block. for questions like this, check his CP frame data

http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Jin_Frame_Data_(BBCP)#Revolver_Action_Table

[Dawn of Musou]

Know who this Jin is? http://sp.bbcp.ac/member_profile_view.php?user_id=8149

Saw him playing at today's a-cho and he was mostly playing with his Bullet (Who was really good) but for the last two matches he switched to his Jin.

[xlolxlolx]

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