beanwich Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Hey guys, is it just me, or do people refuse to 214D~C after Jayoku anymore? Is it because it's just not optimal anymore? I mean, 214D~C>66C>66>5C>2C>4D>214D~66B>5A>gorillion damage sounds pretty nice to me. I still use 214D~C, I can't accomplish gorillion levels though, but my Jayoku combo scene is definitely improving.
hipikachu Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 I was referring to CP. For some reason, people insist on following up with 214D~66B now, which seemed like waste of a 214D~C opportunity.
Lich Posted July 20, 2013 Author Posted July 20, 2013 I was referring to CP. For some reason, people insist on following up with 214D~66B now, which seemed like waste of a 214D~C opportunity. You get better corner carry, and not much less damage. Also, the combo you do off 214D~B the end leaves you lower to the ground, which means you can actually catch people rolling out of the corner with 2A.
Putin Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 leaves you lower to the ground, which means you can actually catch people rolling out of the corner with 2A. Is that really the case? CP gives Hazama a lot of freedom to control the height in which he ends his j.5C mash, so I'm pretty sure you can j.5C > Hirentotsu low enough even off 5C > 2C unless you chain in with 4D or something. That must be the case especially when you get to do at least two j.5C reps, which means that even if 5C > 2C > sj.5C > Hiren ends the combo too high, you can go for 5C > 2C > sj.5C > 5C > (no superjump) j.5C > Hiren which definitely leaves you low enough. This is obviously theory fighting, but that's the impression CP Haz has given me.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 It's something I'll definitely be combo smithing on day 1. I feel like there just has to be a way to use Zaneiga instead and still get the best of both worlds. #WhensOctobah
hipikachu Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 It's something I'll definitely be combo smithing on day 1. I feel like there just has to be a way to use Zaneiga instead and still get the best of both worlds. #WhensOctobah Zaneiga 4evar. The CS2 patch taught us to cherish what we have.
AMB Bakery Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Food for thought: ending a combo with just j.C gives probably better oki options due to no landing recovery. I'd say hirentotsu is still important though, in the case you can't confirm into something bigger (due to say, I don't know, odd flight trajectory).
_Sey Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) You can end combos with tk j214B, Udon and Mitsurugi have done that a few times. In the corner tk j214B n.j2C (maybe even just a jforward will do the job, I forgot) will catch rolls, safe jump DPs and setup ambiguous airdash/empty jump mix ups just like what we can do off 214D~B x2 now (theoretically of course, I have no idea if we have the same frame advantage off tk j214B in CP compared to EX) I'd gladly lose a bit of dmg for a better oki than lol2A. especially vs characters like Ragna or Jin with meter etc. Edited July 21, 2013 by _Sey
Putin Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Food for thought: ending a combo with just j.C gives probably better oki options due to no landing recovery. I'd say hirentotsu is still important though, in the case you can't confirm into something bigger (due to say, I don't know, odd flight trajectory). Yeah I've noticed that and actually posted an example of this a couple of pages back, the problem is that it looks like you have to be as low as you'd want to be if you ended the combo with Hiren, so the issue above remains. I'm probably never ending my j.5C mash with Hiren unless I'm too high up or something. The awesome thing is that we got combos now, so if it does provide better oki than all of our current enders minus corner Gasshou, then we can consider that as another buff. CP Haz pls
AMB Bakery Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Comparing frame data, the TK j.214B probably has a slight bit more frame advantage as opposed to ending with j.C(5). TK j.214B Assuming you hit on the first of three active frames, add however long it takes you to land on the ground (???), plus the 15 frames of landing recovery. Subtract all that from 50 frames of grounded hitstun on regular air hit and you've got x amount of time to act. I'mma guess somewhere around 25 frames before emergency tech. j.C(5) A bit simpler, because the only factor of recovery is how soon you land on the ground and subtract that from 19 frames of regular hitstun. So it's about 8-10 frames you have before emergency tech. EDIT: Oh and I suppose there's also the issue of proration/hitstun decay so that also subtracts a little bit. Regardless of that, though, you have complete freedom as soon as you land. As for what you can set-up after this, I'll let you guys fiddle with that. Edited July 21, 2013 by AMB Bakery
HoudiniJr100 Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 this may be me being a bit concerned about merging, but will we be moving terumi-based discussion to his own forum when CP comes in october? If thats the case until then where would we discuss it (aside here if this is where we should discuss terumi based interests gameplay wise)
AMB Bakery Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 The real answer to that is that you probably shouldn't be discussing it at all, as there is little to discuss. That storm already passed over CP general and I sure as hell don't want it coming here. Just be patient and wait until October and play Dragon's Crown until then or something.
Guymam Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) Terumi Theory Fighting Discussion Chickzama sighed and looked around. Standing on a sandy beach leading out into a bright blue sea, she sunk her toes into the warm sand and felt the soft summer breeze gently blow across her face. The sun shown down bright despite the several clouds in the sky. She closed her eyes, took a deep breath and enjoyed that salty sea smell carrying in the wind. There in that picturesque painting of summer, she waited. She waited for a certain man she had longed to see. A man she loved, and vowed to give her whole life, her own soul, her own essence to. Would he accept her feelings? Would he take her soul? Or would he devour her whole? These thoughts stirred in her mind as she shifted the sand with her foot. She would try, and she would hope. A cloud moved over the sun, and threw her into shade. The rustling of sand from behind her woke her from her daydream and she turned to face him. It could only be him. Her heart pounded up in her chest. Her knees grew weak. A man, dressed in formal slacks with a dark yellow hoodie almost as if stained in blood. His vest and dress shirt were open and his bare chest glistened with the sweat accrued from walking in the slight summer heat. His eyes were cloaked in shadow, but a faint green glow seemed to radiate from his eye. It was a disturbing, neon-ish green. His mouth was curled into a smile. The sky parted, sun streamed down onto him. She wanted to run into his arms and hope he would return the embrace. She just couldn't get her legs to move. The way the sun parted on him, the way he stood there, she swore she could almost hear angels sing from above. It grew louder and louder, until she could almost make out lyrics. Wait, is that a word? She stopped and listened intently. The man continue to look at her. " "WWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-" What the hell was that? She focused in. The man seemed to pick it up too. His smile faded slightly as he listened intently. "-RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII- It continued to grow, and sounded like it was headed straight for them. What was it? "-NNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE." Another man stood up from where the previous man was standing. Sand was kicked up everywhere. The ground shook from the impact. She regained her balance and examined closer. The new figure stood there directly on top of the cloaked man's downed figure. His back faced her. He seemingly wore a Japanese boy's school uniform, with the collar popped up to his neck and dark navy blue in color. He held a screw in one hand and a bottle of Jose Cuervo in the other. The cloaked figure wasn't moving. Chickzama was stunned. She didn't know what to do. The man with the screw looked down at his feet, which were resting on top of the cloaked figures face. He stepped off the man. He eyed his bottle of booze, and after a moment of silent internal monologue over whether to waste good getting drunk juice, nodded slightly and pulled the cap off. He poured a little on the man's face before he took a giant swig. This finally snapped Chick. She rushed towards the man and pulled her arm back to strike him. Turning suddenly the man parried the blow at the last second, and suddenly the beach went dark. Before she could blink the man had somehow teleported behind her, and stood in a handstand above her head. Taking another drink, he flipped forward and threw her into the water. After doing a sweet ass pose he stood up and looked up into the sky. He had done it. He did what the gods had asked. For his trouble the gods would bestow strength and power onto him. He was now... the Terumi mod. He was kicked out of heaven 4 days later for being a huge asshole. Edited August 5, 2013 by Guymam
Myoro Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) Terumi Theory Fighting Discussion Chickzama sighed ...-Things-... being a huge asshole. as captivating and fantastic as your fantasies often are, I fail to see how this is relevant to "Terumi Theory Fighting," a subject that has already nearly lost relevance on this board as it is. ... that said, please continue with the story. Edited August 5, 2013 by Myoro
HoudiniJr100 Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 The real answer to that is that you probably shouldn't be discussing it at all, as there is little to discuss. That storm already passed over CP general and I sure as hell don't want it coming here. Just be patient and wait until October and play Dragon's Crown until then or something. Good call, but sadly you are wrong in a minor aspect.....I don't own dragons crown.
Master Of Chaos Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 This is why we hate/love you, Guymam. Also why is it that I haven't seen anyone pull of Hazama's Astral in CP yet? We need our asstroll finishes.
AMB Bakery Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Hazama's astral sucks and will continue to suck until it isn't an ugly CG snake Also, congratulations Guymam, you broke dustloop for 2 hours.
hipikachu Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 It's here; it's finally here! Da long-awaited sequel~ I love the F.Nanaya reference. Yeah that's right. I got it.
spaghetti Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Also why is it that I haven't seen anyone pull of Hazama's Astral in CP yet? We need our asstroll finishes. Kaqn tried to do it once but it really stinked Yeah, I did type Kaqn No one likes it since ever, but it should be plausible and hype during OD
hipikachu Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Kaqn tried to do it once but it really stinked Yeah, I did type Kaqn No one likes it since ever, but it should be plausible and hype during OD https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gPAWPhL-IFM&t=121 Blow. That. Shit.
beanwich Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gPAWPhL-IFM&t=121 Blow. That. Shit. Dat. Last. Combo. My mind.
Master Of Chaos Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Hype. As. Fuck. What do we need Terumi for again?
LionHeartx Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Hype. As. Fuck. What do we need Terumi for again? More disortions where people get kicked and more snakes.
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