[CP] Hazama Gameplay Discussion [New members read first post]

[BoltofShadow]

From what i've seen of Haz since Arcade release:

http://cdn.meme.li/i/oacm2.jpg

Will still main.

[spaghetti]

J.C STAFF ANIMATING SPIN-OFF HAZAMA ANIME

get it? cause j.c staff? gorillion damage? animation studio? screw you

[AMB Bakery]

A romantic comedy (with lots of tears, cos that's J.C staff's specialty) starring Hazama would be interesting. Would buy the BD's for uncensored Hazama nipples.

Can't wait to play the even more braindead CP Hazama~

[Putin]

http://youtu.be/WSkBpGg6TVA?t=13m45s Noze3stronk

edit: http://youtu.be/_PQ66vJOJq0?t=6m55s ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) we tech traps now

Edited September 2, 2013 by Putin

[NoSales]

I know what I'm blowing meter off on now.

[MattyD315]

I was wondering, if you guys had to pick say, the top 3 Hazama players, who would they be? I know everyone loves Kaqn, and I assume he is on every ones list. But he mains Ragna if I'm not mistaken, lol, and I would like to see some great Hazama devotees as well. I'm looking for some good research material to help myself improve. I don't want to try and just mirror one person, I want to get a feel for a few of the best. So who is on your lists? Oh and I'm playing CSE so hopefully these players have CSE footage up on Youtube or something.

[Appledash-]

I was wondering, if you guys had to pick say, the top 3 Hazama players, who would they be? I know everyone loves Kaqn, and I assume he is on every ones list. But he mains Ragna if I'm not mistaken, lol, and I would like to see some great Hazama devotees as well. I'm looking for some good research material to help myself improve. I don't want to try and just mirror one person, I want to get a feel for a few of the best. So who is on your lists? Oh and I'm playing CSE so hopefully these players have CSE footage up on Youtube or something.

Noze, Mitsurugi, Udon

EDIT: Based Blackwing55

Edited September 3, 2013 by Appledash-

[Blackwing55]

You forgot to add me to the list.

[Blackwing55]

Jk

[MattyD315]

Wow this is obscenely frustrating. Youtube wont let me play any of Mitsurugi, and I can't find the other two on CSE. Shoot.

[AMB Bakery]

I'm looking for some good research material to help myself improve. I don't want to try and just mirror one person, I want to get a feel for a few of the best.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with only copying one player, just make sure it's the right one. Xcopy is one of the best things you can do to improve how you play your character, because they know better than you do.

[MattyD315]

Oh I totally understand that. But how I'm hoping it could work is, oh this guy has the greatest cross up game ever, but his frame trapping isn't quite as good as that guys, And this guys chain play is second to none, ect. I kinda just want to see what a couple of the best do, in different aspects of their games and try to get the best view of options ya know?

[MattyD315]

Oh and and kind of random, but I'm going through the Combos thread and I keep seeing "Dashing Loop" is this the TK Loop under a different name or something different entirely?

[AMB Bakery]

If it's a loop and the game is CSE, assume it's the TK loop, because he has no other loops. Dashing loop basically refers to doing the TK loop midscreen. But you can really insert dashes whenever you feel like it/whenever it's appropriate.

[MattyD315]

Thats what I was thinking, thanks for the confirmation. It was just really confusing having one post say TK loop and another say Dashing loop, both by the same person hahah.

[Master Of Chaos]

Buppa Hazama anyone? (Where is that awesome motherfucker anyway I've been waiting for a Nightmare Fiction match between him and Kaqn forever now)

[Putin]

He was never really that good of a Hazama, just good at winning

[mAc Chaos]

isnt that the same thing

[AMB Bakery]

Buppa was (and still is, to my knowledge) a believer in j.6D and only j.6D

[Master Of Chaos]

And what's wrong with that? :P

[MattyD315]

Another thing that has been bugging me. Assume I'm going OTG 5C > 2C > 4D/6D~A why is it that sometimes the chain gets a solid hit and I can go for a follow up 6D~A/whatever and sometimes it gets a pussy hit that just flops them out of it and I cant follow up with anything? The range doesn't seem to change from the solid to weak connects, it just seems to not work some times. What could the issue be?

[AMB Bakery]

if you OTG with 5C at a really close range, then 6D~A > 4D~A becomes impossible on many characters. As for the level 1 hit, again, always make sure that 5C is 2 hits. The issue can literally be nothing else but distance or SMP, unless you did like 2A 2A 2A 2B xx 236236B as your starter in which case it would just drop due to shitty proration.

[MattyD315]

Hmm, that's interesting, it just stinks as I'm in training right now, and against Hazama I do it 20 times, seemingly from the same distance and same timing, and it flops 50% of the time. I just don't get what is making it work some of the times.. I really love the 4D/6D harassment though, it makes me smile hahha. What would be one or two of the general favorite ways to set this up, in a not super duper situational way? You'll have to bear with me with all of these questions, I'm finally out of the 5D~D spam faze and ALL of these sweet new options are blowing my mind hahaha.

[AMB Bakery]

People's questions are why I am here.

Ideally the only time you should be doing 6D~A > 4D~A is midscreen after doing some combo into 214D~C (whether that be from CH 6B, CH 3C, air throw, or some combo into Houtenjin) or air-hit 6C (especially off gold burst, huehue). Even off CH 214D~B, your best bet is just to do 6D~A > 623D or 6D~A > j.7D~A > 623D (in some cases). Indeed, the only time you should really be doing 6D~A > 4D~A is after OTG 5C(2), 2C.

However, for the most part 6D~A > 4D~A is absent from pretty much every single optimal combo as it's either just better to go for OTG 5C into j.C corner carry or just go into the TK loop (you are forgiven if execution prevents you, we've only got two months left on this game anyway).

Though, I will say that sometimes you just need to combo into something, and 6D~A > 4D~A isn't the absolute worst thing you could do, especially if you can't make a combo decision (>Hazama >combo decisions, again it just kinda comes down to whether you're confident in looping or not) and need to finish out a round.

The places where 6D~A > 4D~A doesn't work is either if you're too close during 5C OTG or if, similarly, you are deep in the corner and are comboing to get your opponent back into the corner, or finally if your opponent is in the corner and you're too close, the 6D will either be a weak hit or maybe even just hit the wall.

[MattyD315]

The loop is pissing me off. I just have horrible timing I guess. I can't seem to link much. Obviously I can get the first 3C>2C<2147B but if I'm mid screen I can't seem to get the dash to come out quick enough to keep the Red Beat, and even in the corner I can't seem to get the 3C to Red Beat after the TK. Shit is frustrating as hell. I can 2147B in place all day but I just can't seem to time the dash or 3C for the life of me. I know, you've probably heard this same shit 100x in the TK loop thread, I know. But fuck me is irratating lol.