Blade Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 I could easily suspect Justice getting replaced by Robo-Valentine or equivalent.
LeonD Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 I could easily suspect Justice getting replaced by Robo-Valentine or equivalent. Or it could be just Valentine... Perhaps she will fight like Rachel, but use her balloon instead! XD
HeatEXTEND Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 Based on the "Too many mechanics!" statement, I'd say he was joking. Guilty as charged.......kinda :3
Most Unknown Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 Call me crazy, but I think everyone from AC+R will be in the game, except maybe Order Sol. ArcSys doesn't seem the type to remove characters from previous games. Nobody is going anywhere...expect your favorites to be on the character select screen...jeeez
SolxBaiken Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 Or it could be just Valentine... Perhaps she will fight like Rachel, but use her balloon instead! XD Rachel =/= Justice Also me and TB were talking about this last night; I think it's safe to assume that "low priority" characters include Kliff, Justice, and Order-Sol [there's not reason to get rid of Robo-Ky from a gameplay or story aspect, unless the PWAB finally made Robo-Jam lul] however I think we could see "successor" characters like I told TB "what if they made Sin play like Order-Sol?" it could totally work, just make all the fire attacks lightning [bLITZ BLAZE!] I think the charge mechanic would fit nicely with him. If ugh AC+ is legit and they'll be continuing story threads from it UGH then that combined with all that Valentine nonsense from Overture pretty much locks in some form of Justice. Kliff is probably the hardest to easily replace but I mean with him dead and Ky a king now, surely someone in the Holy Order wants to take up the mantle, so this new character could use Kliff's sword and style just less...old [for their Overdrives they'll transform into a toddler! .o.] At the end of the day I'm more interested in what new styles they could possibly introduce as the cast is already so large and diverse....gets me excited just thinking about it, but it all leads back to Baiken :3
Fenrir Werwolf Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 If we talk about master vs master combat, In Overture Sin is a character with strong and long range normals that he uses for zoning. Valentine was the heavy zoner absolutely terrible in close combat; Sol was just Sol with ridiculos pressure and damage; Raven was easy to play, with kinda bad normals (slow and easily punishable on whiff) but with strong punishment and a few tricks with binding or some others skill; Izuna was the Chipp of the game mixed with Anji, highest mobility and such, with medium damage output but low life, relies on confusing the enemy to create a chance; Paradigm was just a training dummy; Ky was nice, could maintain a constant pressure on opponent waiting/causing a mistake, as well as constantly harassing/zoning with stun edge That could serve you if you want some gameplay speculation of the Overture characters Sin will probably remains a chara with strong normals and zoning
Arobadope Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 (edited) Not sure I get the Izuna comparison >.> Also, I think the characters that won't be returning will be Order-Sol, Justice, Kliff, Slayer, and possibly Robo-Ky. I also don't really expect Testament for some odd reason that I swear isn't salt (I swear... ) The new characters I think will be Sin, Raven, and Valentine since those are the most logical ones, and I would hope for Izuna (please arc give us Izuna since you didn't give us Jubei ). No real reasoning behind the picks aside from Kliff, Justice,and HOS since storywise I don't remember them being important anymore that would warrant them to be playable (correct if wrong), and the additions are just based on what was present in GG2. Edited August 18, 2013 by Arobadope
Fenrir Werwolf Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 Izuna can make two sidestep instead of one, and had a few unblockables and nasty setups, but his damage is not too high, and has not the potential of Sol in close combat. Also, he miss a DP. His Y (a slow projectile that follows the enemy master) is used both to keep pressure or in okizeme to force the enemy on block, and somehow can resemble Anji's shitsu move, with all the difference of the case and the engine, of course.
SDC Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 If ugh AC+ is legit and they'll be continuing story threads from it Is there any reason it wouldn't be, other than you not liking it? They seemed to make an effort to set up Ky and Dizzy becoming closer, laying the groundwork for Overture. And we know Overture is legit.
destruction_adv Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 Is there any reason it wouldn't be, other than you not liking it? They seemed to make an effort to set up Ky and Dizzy becoming closer, laying the groundwork for Overture. And we know Overture is legit. True, but they don't have to carry over all the story threads, since let's be honest, some of them just seem out of place.
SolxBaiken Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 True, but they don't have to carry over all the story threads, since let's be honest, some of them just seem out of place. Pretty much this, my hope for Xrd's story is, if they do indeed intend on continuing threads that were started in AC+ they handle them in a way that gives more concise and comprehensive way then the rather lackluster execution of AC+ itself. AC+ being legit/canon is irrelevant, it was still a mess, so I'd like things to be cleaned up. honestly I'd like the entire series as a whole to get a redux in its story leading up to Xrd
Mumm-Ra Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) It'd be silly if ASW replaced characters with some other guy and just tacked on their movesets and called it a day, people like these characters and their design, even if Pot is completely different right now it just feels right for him to go from huge russian half naked dude to huge robo german soldier dude, it just fits, and for that same reason they didn't age May, for that same reason they won't buff Bridget (aside from gameplay aspects like hitboxes and such), and for that same reason Sin won't replace an existing character. Everyone will probably be back in some way or another, but noone will get replaced, it's just bad idea from a marketing standpoint. Also agreed 100% that the series' plot needs a reboot, it's such a mess right now. Edited August 19, 2013 by Mumm-Ra
Delrian Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 It'd be silly if ASW replaced characters with some other guy and just tacked on their movesets and called it a day *cough* *cough*
Mumm-Ra Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Lambda was Nu though, and Nu's back once again.
LeonD Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Not sure I get the Izuna comparison >.> Also, I think the characters that won't be returning will be Order-Sol, Justice, Kliff, Slayer, and possibly Robo-Ky. I also don't really expect Testament for some odd reason that I swear isn't salt (I swear... ) The new characters I think will be Sin, Raven, and Valentine since those are the most logical ones, and I would hope for Izuna (please arc give us Izuna since you didn't give us Jubei ). No real reasoning behind the picks aside from Kliff, Justice,and HOS since storywise I don't remember them being important anymore that would warrant them to be playable (correct if wrong), and the additions are just based on what was present in GG2. Storywise, I think removing them won't affect much to the game's story mode, BUT gameplay-wise.... I could never understand why did everyone want good chars to be removed? For Justice, Kliff and O-Sol they will return as DLCs, but why remove Slayer, Testament and Robo-Ky??? LOL they are some very good chars to use, and they do have a nice background story... What are you thinking? One should always consider what's good and what's not.... I'm looking forward to seeing the Overture chars in Xrd though... They have some really good designs. (LUV Valentine , she ressembles Rachel in many parts ) EDIT: You forgot That Man and his 3rd servant. Edited August 19, 2013 by LeonD
LeonD Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 It'd be silly if ASW replaced characters with some other guy and just tacked on their movesets and called it a day, people like these characters and their design, even if Pot is completely different right now it just feels right for him to go from huge russian half naked dude to huge robo german soldier dude, it just fits, and for that same reason they didn't age May, for that same reason they won't buff Bridget (aside from gameplay aspects like hitboxes and such), and for that same reason Sin won't replace an existing character. Everyone will probably be back in some way or another, but noone will get replaced, it's just bad idea from a marketing standpoint. Also agreed 100% that the series' plot needs a reboot, it's such a mess right now. ^ this, SOOOOOOOOOOO this! Recently, I have seen lots of peep who wants to remove some chars... and I was like WTF! And besides your opinion, I personally think they should make the story mode similar to the CT Reconstruction in BB... but in 3D obviously.
Tari Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 And besides your opinion, I personally think they should make the story mode similar to the CT Reconstruction in BB... but in 3D obviously. This would be pretty amazing.
White Man Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Also agreed 100% that the series' plot needs a reboot, it's such a mess right now. I have a friend who's a pretty hardcore Doctor Who fan. I once asked him how he managed to keep track of the plot, which, from what I've seen and heard, is a total clusterfuck full of retcons and parallel realities and general time travel nonsense that requires a three-dimension flowchart to follow. He told me the appeal of the series wasn't so much in the story itself per se, but the characters and their individual stories and the lore behind the different planets and races and whatever. Over the years, the writers have created a universe full of mythology that, despite being hung together rather haphazardly, gives fans a lot of richly layered content to pour over. I kind of feel the same way about Guilty Gear to an extent. Looking back over the games' chronology, it's tough to argue that the writers came up with a lot of stuff as they were going along. Plot aside, though, I think the series has a lot of legitimately interesting characters and an equally interesting setting. While I wouldn't mind a "retelling" of the events leading up to Xrd, I hope they don't retcon anything that's happened thus far. Even if they could fill up a couple of gaping holes in the plot, I'd hate to lose big chunks of that detailed mythos we've accumulated over the past 15 years.
Blade Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Since we're speculating Overture Characters: ------- Sin ------- A mix of Kilik and Kliff in terms of range (with lots of air to ground pressure). Voltic Eye = Stun Raise ------- Izuna ------- Bits of Slayer, Bits of Chipp, Bits of Hsien-Ko (like sky running almost like Faust), and bits of Johnny as well. He could probably dispel traps too so he might prove a threat to Testament. ------- Valentine ------- Mu-12 as far as lasers go, Rachel as far as mobility/air control goes/lots of air game like I-No probably. Also her escape move "Bye-Bye" could work like a super backdash or something. ------- Dr. Paradigm ------- Despite how bad he is in Overture, he could play like Juda in Hokuto no Ken, by summoning assistants, creating barriers, and dropping anti-air Apples on people's heads! He could also play like Iggy in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Summons could also possibly be as bad or worse than Eddie's or Carl + Ada. ------- Raven ------- I picture Raven being a mix between Nu-13 and Hazama and maybe Venom's teleport. He'd have Nu's Gravity Fields to slow people down, and Hazama's mixup/pokes/range/spider-man-ness. ------- Robo-Valentine/Justice! Valentine ------- She has chainsaws for arms, so she'd be brutal (albeit slow) on block. Her projectiles would likely go up and come down like Robo-Ky's knee rocket or something. She could also do something like Order-Sol's flame burst manually too maybe. She'd have super-armor, pretty much. ------- That Man ------- Basically a mix between Dr. Doom and Unlim Mu-12. His Proteus pods would be like the Cocoon boss in Arcana Heart.
Malcopunch Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Since we're speculating Overture Characters: ------- Sin ------- A mix of Kilik and Kliff in terms of range (with lots of air to ground pressure). Voltic Eye = Stun Raise ------- Izuna ------- Bits of Slayer, Bits of Chipp, Bits of Hsien-Ko (like sky running almost like Faust), and bits of Johnny as well. He could probably dispel traps too so he might prove a threat to Testament. ------- Valentine ------- Mu-12 as far as lasers go, Rachel as far as mobility/air control goes/lots of air game like I-No probably. Also her escape move "Bye-Bye" could work like a super backdash or something. ------- Dr. Paradigm ------- Despite how bad he is in Overture, he could play like Juda in Hokuto no Ken, by summoning assistants, creating barriers, and dropping anti-air Apples on people's heads! He could also play like Iggy in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Summons could also possibly be as bad or worse than Eddie's or Carl + Ada. ------- Raven ------- I picture Raven being a mix between Nu-13 and Hazama and maybe Venom's teleport. He'd have Nu's Gravity Fields to slow people down, and Hazama's mixup/pokes/range/spider-man-ness. ------- Robo-Valentine/Justice! Valentine ------- She has chainsaws for arms, so she'd be brutal (albeit slow) on block. Her projectiles would likely go up and come down like Robo-Ky's knee rocket or something. She could also do something like Order-Sol's flame burst manually too maybe. She'd have super-armor, pretty much. ------- That Man ------- Basically a mix between Dr. Doom and Unlim Mu-12. His Proteus pods would be like the Cocoon boss in Arcana Heart. Personally i only think Raven and Sin are going to be the only Overture Characters in Guilty Gear Xrd..
Kitsoru Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Also agreed 100% that the series' plot needs a reboot, it's such a mess right now. I still don't understand how people think this, at all. The series' concepts may not be simple (gee, you have to critically think, how terrible) but the plot itself is probably more concise than any other out there, in terms of being pretty clear about where the main plot has been and is headed, and individual characters' paths after each installment. Look at BB with its million time loops, or even stuff like idk, KOF- you want to talk about unclear plot arcs with barely any information given in them and tons of handwaved 'well it just happens don't ask why' stuff, there you go.
deadite Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 I'll be looking forward to special intros between characters. Especially Dizzy vs Ky..
Zazz Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 I'll be looking forward to special intros between characters. Especially Dizzy vs Ky.. arc could do some amazing intro sequences now that they got the 3D going.
SolxBaiken Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 stuff "Reboot" may be too harsh a word, like I say I'd like a redux where they present a more streamlined and revised synopsis of sorts from the original to Xrd, it's been over 15 years since this all started and with this new iterations arriving and wanting to appeal to a whole new audience, I think it'd be a cool thing to have. Also why is snarky berating your first response to like...everything? Also KoF's story is simple: Kyo commands power forged over generations, let's clone him! Aw shit we can't control any of our clones. Hey guys there's this chick named Ash stealing people's powers. Orochi wants to be relevant again. See you in XIV~!
Kitsoru Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 "Reboot" may be too harsh a word, like I say I'd like a redux where they present a more streamlined and revised synopsis of sorts from the original to Xrd, it's been over 15 years since this all started and with this new iterations arriving and wanting to appeal to a whole new audience, I think it'd be a cool thing to have. Also why is snarky berating your first response to like...everything? Also KoF's story is simple: Kyo commands power forged over generations, let's clone him! Aw shit we can't control any of our clones. Hey guys there's this chick named Ash stealing people's powers. Orochi wants to be relevant again. See you in XIV~! 1. Here, I did the work for you: http://kitsoru.tumblr.com/post/58699292125/required-reading-for-ggs-main-plot-in-chronological You're welcome. 2. If I answered that I'd probably get infracted. 3. That just proves my point about how convoluted and messy KOF's story is in comparison so... ok?
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