Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[Shinhwa]

What's the difference between hero(eiyuu) and HERO (Yuusha)?

Eiyuu is practically someone who has done a deed and is hailed as a hero by other people (It means someone can be used to do an evil deed and be hailed as a hero. Someone who frames another person and killing him then getting hailed as a hero also counts. Ex. Jin Kisaragi who was hailed as Ikaruga no Eiyuu (Hero of Ikaruga) despite it being a total setup done by the evil). You cannot become an "Eiyuu" unless the other public calls you it.

Yuusha is just someone who is a warrior who just fights for love, justice and peace.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Shinhwa

[kylehyde]

Eiyuu is practically someone who has done a deed and is hailed as a hero by other people (It means someone can be used to do an evil deed and be hailed as a hero. Someone who frames another person and killing him then getting hailed as a hero also counts. Ex. Jin Kisaragi who was hailed as Ikaruga no Eiyuu (Hero of Ikaruga) despite it being a total setup done by the evil). You cannot become an "Eiyuu" unless the other public calls you it.

Yuusha is just someone who is a warrior who just fights for love, justice and peace.

So Celica considered Bloodedge above the Six Heroes then?

[raziel12]

i wanna read the translation on wat Celica talked with Ragna about Bloodedge

but isnt me or do the story rachel talked about reminds me of Nu fate as the heart of the black beast

Edited November 19, 2013 by raziel12

[Shinhwa]

So Celica considered Bloodedge above the Six Heroes then?

Just like Jubei considering Bloodedge the true hero, yes.

[Alpha to Omega]

Some more info from GameFAQs:

Before climax present, Ragna is sent back into the past by Rachel. Ragna meets up with Celica with his memory gone and follows Celica to japan.

In japan Ragna learns about the lynchpin and shortly after regains his memory and directly after they decide to not use the lynchpin the Black Beast arrives to japan. Ragna gives Celica his jacket and Jubei remains with Ragna while Nine teleports herself, Trinity and Celica. Ragna and Jubei fights the Black Beast and Ragna jumps into the Black Beast and it disappears for one year. Jubei was able to get hold of Ragnas sword and gives it to Celica.

When the Black Beast return after on year Celica gets into it and meet Ragna for a short while before Nirvana cuts into the Black Beast and takes Celica.

And during the final battle with the Black Beast Jubei uses Hihiirokane to cut a hole into the Black Beast and Celica goes into it a second time. There she reunites with Ragna and tells him that they must destroy the heart(Nu). After Ragna kills Nu Rachel comes to where they are and sends Ragna back to the present.

Well that explains the picture of him in PS4. Anyone know if the poster was just mixed up the weapon names or did Jubei really use his brothers sword?

[Shinhwa]

i wanna read the translation on wat Celica talked with Ragna about Bloodedge

but isnt me or do the story rachel talked about reminds me of Nu fate as the heart of the black beast

Because I don't own the game, I have to freaking rely on other people's video recordings for the story mode. If someone were to give me the entire video set of the story mode (I only have 6 Heroes Route Ep 1~2 and Chronophantasma Ep 1~7 (including gag routes within them), I would go translating the entire thing or make a thorough summary for the hell of it and to thank the one who gave me it

I swear... Nu's life is shit past and present no matter how many times I replay CT and how she was pretty much brainwashed to follow the guys who made her suffer and killed her during CS (Although Nu was in Lambda's body). I seriously hated the ending of CP...

I am like praying that Nu gets a happy end at the next game where she is freed from all the pain and the fighting she has gone through without having to die.

[Zedar90]

Well that explains the picture of him in PS4. Anyone know if the poster was just mixed up the weapon names or did Jubei really use his brothers sword?

Yes, Jubei was given Tomonori's eye(隻眼, sekigan) and his sword Hihiirokane(刻殺しの刀, Time killing katana) by Rachel so that Jubei could assassinate Terumi.

i wanna read the translation on wat Celica talked with Ragna about Bloodedge

Ragna: Ha...

Celica: What are you doing?

Ragna: Celica, huh. I was just wondering what that "tower" is.

Celica: Tower? Aa, that thing? You're right, what is that. You can see it from everywhere in Ikaruga. ... But is it only the tower you're thinking about?

Ragna: ... I was only thinking a little.

Celica: About tomorrow?

Ragna: No, I'm not thinking about whats happening tomorrow. To fight is what is happening all the time, I'm hunted by lot of people so the feelings around that part have gone numb.

Celica: Then about what?

Ragna: Before, when I saw Jin and Noel, I remebered what Kagura said. "For what reason are you fighting, for what reason are you throwing around that power"...

Those guys are fighting for "Tsubaki" this time. However, for what reason am I fighting for.

Celica: Isn't it for "Kushinada's Lynchpin"?

Ragna: That is one of the reasons this time. But, not only that... How do I say it, underlying "reason"?

Celica: "Reason"?

Ragna: I can't really go into details but, I'm currently fighting to "defeat"... That is for no one's sake, but my "own" sake. That was true "strength" I thought.

However, when watching those guys, I started to get worried. Is it really okay to continue on like this?

Therefore I started to rethink... Why did I seek for "power". You know, the responsibility for those who "seek" "power".

Everyone will probably say, what are you saying by now, don't think about things that isn't needed to think about for now. I will probably not even be of any use in tomorrows fight.

Look, the current me is "incompetent". I was just beaten up by Jin as well. It is as Kagura said, the current me won't be able to win against Azrael.

Celica: That's...

Ragna: I know, I'm not that stupid. The one who seals my "Grimoire of Azure" is Celica, right?

Celica: Yeah, I'm sorry. It's not like I want to be in Ragna's way. But I can't help it, I don't know why it becomes like this.

Ragna: Really, I'm not that bothered. Sure it is a little inconvenience. But, thanks to losing my power I calmed my head down. It gives me time to rethink the thing known as "power". I'm actually thankful.

Lately, whenever something happens I immediately relied on the "Grimoire of Azure"... I relied on "power"... Not my power, "someone else's" power.

Then, what is my "power"? What is it that I can be proud of and call my "power"? The current me, is a useless person that can barely swing a sword. In that part, it's then no different then that from a coward who goes Gyaa Gyaa over having no power.

Celica: That's not true!!!

Ragna: H, Hey. What is it suddenly.

Celica: Ragna isn't a coward. You aren't incompetent! Ragna at that time "protected" me even when you couldn't move your right arm and use your right eye! You fought for your dear life!!

Even towards that "monster" that paralyses your feet with fear, you stood up against it on your own! Ragna is more heroic than anyone else, your strong! Don't say that you are a coward...!!

Ragna: ..."that time"?

Celica: Ah... Ahaha, I'm sorry, for suddenly rising my voice. I was a little confused. Don't mind it.

Ragna: No, I'm sorry as well. Didn't mean to complain. It looks like I'm a depending on you a little.

Celica: No, it okay. I could always listen to you complaining! Please go a head and depend om me more!

Ragna: Eh? No, that's a little rude.

Celica: I know! Ragna, I have a suggestion. From now on you can fight to protect me. ... Hows that? Doesn't that become a "reason" for you?

Ragna: Wha? What's up suddenly? And from what should I "protect" you?

Celica: From what? I don't know. Well it's okay isn't it, don't think so hard on the details. For the time being, from "anything, a lot"!

Ragna: I don't understand what you are trying to say...

Celica: Is it... no good?

Ragna: Uh! Okay. I understand. I can't win against those eyes. For the time being, I don't know from what but I will "protect" you. When that time comes tell me.

Celica: Thank you, Ragna!!

Ragna: Uwaa, I get it, get away from me.

Celica: Fufu. Ragna, could you listen to my for a while?

Ragna: What's the matter suddenly, acting so formal. Well, as thanks for before. Okay, I will listen to you.

Celica: It's... about some acquaintance of mine. Those people, one time won a big battle and became known as "heroes". However other then those "heroes" there was one more. Without no one knowing, he continued to fight alone, and when the fight was over he immediately returned home. Therefore he is an unsung "hero".

But you know. I think that person, was different then that of a "hero".

Ragna: Was it because he went home immediately?

Celica: No. That person wasn't a "hero"(英雄) but a "HERO"(勇者). Because, "hero" is the conclusion, right? When all is over that is what all the people around calls them as praise.

But a HERO is different. A HERO is like how it is written, "A Man with Courage"(勇気ある者). No matter how tough and hard it is, he stands up against that adversity. He who possesses the "true power".

And, he is my "loved" one...

Ragna: ... wait? Haven't I heard this story somewhere else. Well, it doesn't matter. So? Was that HERO your lover or something?

Celica: Eh!? Ah,ahaha, no that's wrong. ... It's one sided, I guess?

Ragna: He seems quite amazing, do you have many rivals? If there is anything I could do, tell me. I will help you since have helped me.

Celica: Really? ... Well then, I will have some anticipation... I guess.

Ragna: Cold... The wind have got a bit cold.

Celica: I guess we should return.

Ragna: Should do so, it would be for nothing if I get a cold and can't fight.

Celica: Yes, lets go back...!?

Ragna: What's the matter?

Celica: It's nothing. It looked like I was about to sneeze.

Ragna: It is cold here... are you okay?

Celica: Fufu. Ragna is really Ragna.

Ragna: Hm? What is it, it's starting to get a little unpleasant.

Celica: It's nothing. Lets go. Ragna should go to sleep, you have a match tomorrow, Good Luck!

Ragna: Alright. And then we get a hold on the Lynch pin. Celica, when we get hold of it... I leave it to you to activate the "Lynch pin"!!

Celica: Yes, leave it to me! It is "for that reason" I came here.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Zedar90

[heavymetalmixer]

Ragna: Alright. And then we get a hold on the Lynch pin. Celica, when we get hold of it... I leave it to you to activate the "Lynch pin"!!

Celica: Yes, leave it to me! It is "for that reason" I came here.

Oh shit, I see a tragedy coming up in BB4.

[Tokkan]

Oh shit, I see a tragedy coming up in BB4.

Except the lynchpin was activated by Bang and Celica still lives... Unless you have something else in mind.

[heavymetalmixer]

Except the lynchpin was activated by Bang and Celica still lives... Unless you have something else in mind.

Oh, my bad, didn't remeber that Bang activated it, but this conversation was before it, right?

[Tokkan]

Oh, my bad, didn't remeber that Bang activated it, but this conversation was before it, right?

Yes, this conversation was before that.

[Luminos564]

Yes, Jubei was given Tomonori's eye(隻眼, sekigan) and his sword Hihiirokane(刻殺しの刀, Time killing katana) by Rachel so that Jubei could assassinate Terumi.

So wait, does that mean we have 2 characters capable of killing time (Haku-men with Time Killer and Jubei with Hihiirokane) or is the name of Jubei/Tomonori's sword simply a decorative one?

Bonus question: is Hihiirokane later turned into Jubei's Nox Nyctores or is it a separate sword altogether?

[Zedar90]

So wait, does that mean we have 2 characters capable of killing time (Haku-men with Time Killer and Jubei with Hihiirokane) or is the name of Jubei/Tomonori's sword simply a decorative one?

Bonus question: is Hihiirokane later turned into Jubei's Nox Nyctores or is it a separate sword altogether?

As far as I know, Hihiirokane and Musashi is two completely different things.

When Hihiirokane is not in use it is a large katana with a black sheath and is sealed with a sword string. When drawn it is a blade of silver, and when Tomonori said the word Hihiirokane it turned into a giant green Claw. It has the power to not only cut the body but the spirit within which freaked Terumi since he also got wounded when Tomonori cut Kazuma.

It is a blade that Jubei's family have had for generations.

It is believed to be one of the weapons used in the war in the Age of origin(原初の時代) when humanity fought against "something"(なにか) that was like the black beast.

[Shinhwa]

Oh shit, I see a tragedy coming up in BB4.

Except the lynchpin was activated by Bang and Celica still lives... Unless you have something else in mind.

Oh, my bad, didn't remeber that Bang activated it, but this conversation was before it, right?

Yeah except Celica apparently doesn't have long to live (only like half a year to a year apparently) due to her nature of being a copy. It was mostly because of her original purpose being used as a sacrifice to activate the Lynchpin. Well the seithr that was around the world before the Lynchpin had activated also drained of her life.

[Alpha to Omega]

As far as I know, Hihiirokane and Musashi is two completely different things.

Were Musashi's powers ever revealed in the novels or CP's Library section? What about Hakumen's sword Okami?

[BlackYakuzu94]

Yeah except Celica apparently doesn't have long to live (only like half a year to a year apparently) due to her nature of being a copy. It was mostly because of her original purpose being used as a sacrifice to activate the Lynchpin. Well the seithr that was around the world before the Lynchpin had activated also drained of her life.

Wait wut? Where was this?

[Zedar90]

Were Musashi's powers ever revealed in the novels or CP's Library section? What about Hakumen's sword Okami?

Musashi: Can cut things that usually cant be cut.

Ookami: Because of that the sword blade is made out of a special metal, it can negate Ars Magus. Ragna can't recover from wounds from this sword.

Wait wut? Where was this?

Can't remember exactly when it was stated, but Kokonoe made Celica's vessel for one purpose only, to activate the Lynch pin, so she didn't make very durable. She even have limiters on herself so she can be alive longer.

In the climax vs Take-Mikazuchi she released all her limiters and it was told she can only be like this for 10 minutes and after that she will vanish.

So yeah, she doesn't have long time to live, but she should live a bit longer now that the seithr is gone.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Hey Zedar, you mind translating that conversation between the Imperator, Hazama and Relius in the prologue chapter?

Edited November 19, 2013 by Chaoschao222

[Shinhwa]

Hey Zedar, you mind translating that conversation between the Imperator, Hazama and Relius in the prologue chapter?

That thing is easy to translate XD

[Zedar90]

Relius: How are you feeling... Imperator.

Imperator: Not bad...

This is a good "vessel", Relius Clover.

Relius: It will take some time before it is stable.

If you're feeling any discomfort, I want you to tell me immediately.

Imperator: I will pay attention to it.

And Relius. What is happening to that "Coffin".

Relius: The "core" will Phantom. And we'll go with No.13 as "control".

Imperator: Is that so. To think that the unpleasant "giant" would be of help to me.

What a funny chance of fate.

Relius: Hou... The Imperator talking about "fate".

Imperator: Is it strange?

Relius: No... But it is interesting.

Imperator: Haha. To think that you would have an interest of me...

This is some brief entertainment.

Relius: Is that so... but I wont lose interest in the Imperator...

Hum, It look it's about time.

Imperator: Good work. You can leave now.

Relius: I will depart then.

Imperator: What an unsocial person as always...

Hazama: So here you are, I was looking for you.

Imperator: Terumi... what do you want.

Hazama: What do I want... I came to leave a Report.

Is it okay for me to talk?

Imperator: ... speak.

Hazama: The barrier around Ikaruga will be finished after setting in the last three places.

The "release of the Cauldrons" will Relius take care of.

Well, If it is Colonel Relius there will probably be no problems.

The Thirteenth Prime Field... I will continue with the "Sword of Izanami".

And then there was... About the "coffin"... that was Phantom, right?

Imperator: Okay... What about the girl of "Izayoi"?

Hazama: Eh? Aa, Major... "Tsubaki Yayoi".

I don't think there any real hinderence therefore so we will leave it as it is, yes.

And then, there is "takamagahara"...

For that I ask of your assistance.

Imperator: ...I know.

And Terumi. For your "corpse", is it okay to leave it like that?

Hazama: Susanoo Unit... Hakumen... you mean?

Let see... I think it is time to get rid of it since it soon will become a hindrance.

Imperator: Aren't you easygoing. Don't you think you're playing around a bit to much?

Hazama: Oh, no, no, I'm not playing at all.

Even if I'm like this I'm always serious.

However I'm a little sad that no one recognize my hard work...

... I'm wondering why?

Imperator: ... Stop talking nonsense.

Hazama: Oh that's right! I had a thing I wanted to ask of you Imperator.

Imperator: ... What?

Hazama: Bitch. Why did you let "Ragna the Bloodedge" get away that time?

Imperator: ... You too relaxed Terumi.

Hazama: At that time we had already no more use of "Ragna the Bloodedge".

You could easily had "executed" him... so why?

Imperator: That was your mistake, wasn't it?

That's not my responsibility. Know your place.

Hazama: Is the mixing to thin... or is it "too much mixed"?

Imperator: ... I could easily put you in to the ground?

Hazama: Well, I'll put "this" as your "entertainment".

If Ragna is there, there is ways of using him.

Oh, where are you going?

Oh, she left...

However, this place sure is nostalgic...

Restriction 666 released, Dimensional Interference Field Deployed! Code S.O.L., BlazBlue(the Green Grimoire), Activate!

Kukuku... It's good, It's good. It's starting to get fun, isn't it...

... "Master Unit Amaterasu".

This time want kind of "dream"(Nightmare) will you show?

Kukukukuku... Hyaahahahahahaha!!!!

Well... Let's start the DestructionDay then...

[Alpha to Omega]

Musashi: Can cut things that usually cant be cut.

Ookami: Because of that the sword blade is made out of a special metal, it can negate Ars Magus. Ragna can't recover from wounds from this sword.

So nothing more specific than the descriptions from CS TMML? Even in the novels? Guess they're keeping them under wraps until the next game. Thanks for all the info and translations, Zedar.

[kylehyde]

He who possesses the "true power".

And, he is my "loved" one...

Ragna: ... wait? Haven't I heard this story somewhere else. Well, it doesn't matter. So? Was that HERO your lover or something?

Celica: Eh!? Ah,ahaha, no that's wrong. ... It's one sided, I guess?

So Celica is in love with Ragna then? I know it's obvious and all that but this makes it certain right?

[Shinhwa]

So Celica is in love with Ragna then? I know it's obvious and all that but this makes it certain right?

Although it wasn't really canon (the concept was though), the gag ending in Episode 7 proved that Celica loves Ragna, as she told Ragna that she really loves him (which is why the Spectacles of Eros doesn't work on her).

And the novel itself showed Celica did love Ragna.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Yes, Celica is in love with Ragna, everything about their interactions basically spells it out.

[TheYukianesa-01]

Honestly, they shoved the fact that Celica loves Ragna in my face so much that I couldn't stand her.