Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[Zedar90]

Wait, why was Life Link even created for Nu and Ragna in the first place again? More like when did it happen? I don't remember it happening back in Calamity Trigger.

Never explained. However, Ragna and Nu have one as well as Noel and Hazama. What does those two combos have in common? Ragna and Nu became a Black Beast, and Terumi at least tried to become a Black Beast with fusing Hazama and Noel. So the Life-Link seems to be a part of the creation of the Black Beast.

[Shinhwa]

Never explained. However, Ragna and Nu have one as well as Noel and Hazama. What does those two combos have in common? Ragna and Nu became a Black Beast, and Terumi at least tried to become a Black Beast with fusing Hazama and Noel. So the Life-Link seems to be a part of the creation of the Black Beast.

But... at the true ending of CT, they never turned into a Black Beast o.o; They only did in normal fail ending. Don't tell me it carried on since the first fusion even with the time loops O.O;

Or is it because of them having half of the Azure Grimoire? Well I just hope that Life Link saves them both from dying FOREVER XD

[Zedar90]

But... at the true ending of CT, they never turned into a Black Beast o.o; They only did in normal fail ending. Don't tell me it carried on since the first fusion even with the time loops O.O;

Or is it because of them having half of the Azure Grimoire?

Time works a little different, it isn't really a loop, more like the time is reset to a specific point of time after Ragna and Nu fall into the cauldron. Remember the world is only a pile of seithr and Amaterasu gives it shape like it is some kind of simulation. Also, according to nine in phase shift 4 Terumi carried away Nu from the corpse of the black beast after the six heroes killed it so maybe Terumi or someone else used her for establishing life-Link with Ragna before Jube got him out of the lab.

[Shinhwa]

Time works a little different, it isn't really a loop, more like the time is reset to a specific point of time after Ragna and Nu fall into the cauldron. Remember the world is only a pile of seithr and Amaterasu gives it shape like it is some kind of simulation. Also, according to nine in phase shift 4 Terumi carried away Nu from the corpse of the black beast after the six heroes killed it so maybe Terumi or someone else used her for establishing life-Link with Ragna before Jube got him out of the lab.

Sorry I never read the novel series. So I have no idea what happened there. @__@;

So am I correct that the Black Beast that appeared during the old Six Heroes time actually came from the future through the use of Cauldron?

Ragna was in a lab? O.o

[Zedar90]

Sorry I never read the novel series. So I have no idea what happened there. @__@;

So am I correct that the Black Beast that appeared during the old Six Heroes time actually came from the future through the use of Cauldron?

Ragna was in a lab? O.o

Black beast is as far as I know from the "future". And yes, Ragna, Jin and Saya was taken from a Lab(研究所) by Jube and was given to "Sister". Or as the game says, A boy with golden hair and green eyes with his younger borther and sister.

[Shinhwa]

Black beast is as far as I know from the "future". And yes, Ragna, Jin and Saya was taken from a Lab(研究所) by Jube and was given to "Sister". Or as the game says, A boy with golden hair and green eyes with his younger borther and sister.

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So that's why he has #5 mark on his chest...

This was said in the novel? o.o

[Zedar90]

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So that's why he has #5 mark on his chest...

This was said in the novel? o.o

The lab part? No that is a throw away line in Six Heroes route. However there is a picture from CT novel that show the kids having tags on there wrists and necks.

[Shinhwa]

The lab part? No that is a throw away line in Six Heroes route. However there is a picture from CT novel that show the kids having tags on there wrists and necks.

Alright thank you.

And just to reconfirm. The storyline is pretty much Phase Shift 4 => Chronophantasma right? For Celica pretty much o.o

[harmless kitten]

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So that's why he has #5 mark on his chest...

Maybe, maybe not. Neither Jin nor Saya have a numbered tattoo in the same area. In the very same phonecard set where you can see Ragna's tattoo, Jin has no such mark.

Interesting that they were confirmed to come from a lab, though. Is anything else mentioned about their origins in CP?

[Zedar90]

Alright thank you.

And just to reconfirm. The storyline is pretty much Phase Shift 4 => Chronophantasma right? For Celica pretty much o.o

In phase shift 4 there is a chapter with no number between Chapter 4 & 5. It is when Celica thinks about how the world is changeing now that the Black Beast is dead. All of a sudden Niravana starts to walk away so Celica follows Niravana. Nirvana leads Celica to the Gate in Ishana when she touches it she all of a sudden is in a white space with a mirror. But on closer look it isn't a mirror but more of a window with a Celica on the other side. Celica sees Trinity walks in the room on the other side of the window and calls for Celica. The other Celica walks to Trinity with Celica trying to call for Trinity but soon start to fall and after a while she hears kokonoe's voice.

Maybe, maybe not. Neither Jin nor Saya have a numbered tattoo in the same area. In the very same phonecard set where you can see Ragna's tattoo, Jin has no such mark.

Interesting that they were confirmed to come from a lab, though. Is anything else mentioned about their origins in CP?

No, not really, its like, and then Jube travels around the globe and finds a lab with a child with golden hair and green eyes and entrusts that boy and his younger brother and sister to "Sister" with them in her care.

Edited November 7, 2013 by Zedar90

[harmless kitten]

No, not really, its like, and then Jube travels around the globe and finds a lab with a child with golden hair and green eyes and entrusts that boy and his younger brother and sister to "Sister" with them in her care.

Bummer that nothing else is mentioned. Thanks though.

[Shinhwa]

Wait, from what you are saying, are you saying Nu existed for a very long time since the past or what's going on? O.o;

What happened to Nu that was taken out of the Dead Black Beast?

Is it the same Nu we know right now or is it a different Nu?

[Zedar90]

Wait, from what you are saying, are you saying Nu existed for a very long time since the past or what's going on? O.o;

What happened to Nu that was taken out of the Dead Black Beast?

Is it the same Nu we know right now or is it a different Nu?

The Black Beast is Ragna and Nu fused using the Caldron, that is what is said in BBCP:MC. Black Beast = Azure Grimoire + Murkumo Unit. It is presumed it is from the future, but who knows it might be a twist that they aren't, but for now they are from the future. In the end of Phase Shift 4 Nine asked why Terumi took the heart from the Black Beast. The heart of the Black Beast = The Murakumo Unit. Kazuma responded that Terumi carried away somewhere. The Nu that where carried away should be dead since Ragna(Bloodedge) killed her inside the Black Beast.

[Shinhwa]

The Black Beast is Ragna and Nu fused using the Caldron, that is what is said in BBCP:MC. Black Beast = Azure Grimoire + Murkumo Unit. It is presumed it is from the future, but who knows it might be a twist that they aren't, but for now they are from the future. In the end of Phase Shift 4 Nine asked why Terumi took the heart from the Black Beast. The heart of the Black Beast = The Murakumo Unit. Kazuma responded that Terumi carried away somewhere. The Nu that where carried away should be dead since Ragna(Bloodedge) killed her inside the Black Beast.

Why aren't the novels translated on Baka-tsuki... damn it =3=

Anyhow, so the future Nu died. Ok...

Then another Nu was created after Saya was kidnapped. Right? (Well after Lambda-11 died from a painful experiment and when Takemikazuchi shot down the experiment lab that Mu-12 was in)

Or were they like created nearly at the same time? O.o

[Zedar90]

Why aren't the novels translated on Baka-tsuki... damn it =3=

Anyhow, so the future Nu died. Ok...

Then another Nu was created after Saya was kidnapped. Right? (Well after Lambda-11 died from a painful experiment and when Takemikazuchi shot down the experiment lab that Mu-12 was in)

Or were they like created nearly at the same time? O.o

The whole Prime Field stuff is confusing. What I know is: There is a 0th unit, it is believed to be created by Relius but whatever that is the truth or not is unknown. Relius together with Shuuichirou created 1th unit by request from Terumi. It fell into the gate when the black beast appeared. 2nd-10th were created by different organization using the data from 0th unit. Relius created 11th-13th unit using Saya as base.

[floatwater]

Why aren't the novels translated on Baka-tsuki... damn it =3=

Because there aren't many translators for it, IIRC Emma and Spesialo are the only ones.

Also not active as much.

[Shinhwa]

Because there aren't many translators for it, IIRC Emma and Spesialo are the only ones.

Also not active as much.

Yeah I know lol. I wish they were translated though =3= Although I understand Japanese I can't read all the Kanji @___@;

The whole Prime Field stuff is confusing. What I know is: There is a 0th unit, it is believed to be created by Relius but whatever that is the truth or not is unknown. Relius together with Shuuichirou created 1th unit by request from Terumi. It fell into the gate when the black beast appeared. 2nd-10th were created by different organization using the data from 0th unit. Relius created 11th-13th unit using Saya as base.

Yeah but were the 11th~13th created at the same time or in different time after each experiment failed for 11th and 12th?

[harmless kitten]

Yeah but were the 11th~13th created at the same time or in different time after each experiment failed for 11th and 12th?

Sector Seven story in CSE goes into this somewhat. Relius made Lambda, Mu, and Nu. Nu was used for the experiment to make Ignis's core, and Sector Seven found Lambda and Mu in his lab after he disappeared. The NOL grabbed Nu.

[Shinhwa]

Sorry. I missed out on CSEX and could not find any proper summaries/spoilers regarding what happened in that game, so I have no idea lol. I only know basic stuff that happened in there TwT

[kylehyde]

I saw a piece of cp story where Rachel and Hakumen where having some kind of a long ass conversation. Any idea what they were talking about? I know that the entire story is one big conversation lol, but I just wanted to know what Rachel and Hakumen were cooking up this time. Since she's now his observer, I imagine she was ordering him to do something.

[Master Of Chaos]

Now that Kokonoe's out, can anyone translate her Arcade story for us?

Edited November 8, 2013 by Master Of Chaos

[Shinhwa]

I saw a piece of cp story where Rachel and Hakumen where having some kind of a long ass conversation. Any idea what they were talking about? I know that the entire story is one big conversation lol, but I just wanted to know what Rachel and Hakumen were cooking up this time. Since she's now his observer, I imagine she was ordering him to do something.

You mean in Chronophantasma Episode 2?

[kylehyde]

You mean in Chronophantasma Episode 2?

Yeah I think it was episode 2, their like in the woods or something.

[harmless kitten]

Now that Kokonoe's out, can anyone translate her Arcade story for us?

Check Sourenga's DM channel.

[Shinhwa]

Yeah I think it was episode 2, their like in the woods or something.

I will have to rewatch it. The owner of the video who made videos of each episodes (kazuyasasa) just had his videos deleted by Youtube because of copyright claims TAT.

Because I knew this would happen, I had downloaded his videos using youtube downloader 8D

So yeah, I will rewatch that part and tell you what it's about. It's not that long either XP