Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[harmless kitten]

Oh, is that right? So, has Phantom actually used sorcery before then? Sorcery is stronger than magic, but it's strange how Phantom can seemingly hold down Rachel in a fight. But that's probably because Rachel's sorcery is diminishing? I'm still wondering why Rachel's sorcery is dwindling. Far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to be a reason for that. It just seems like the writer had to make her weaker somehow to prevent her from making it almost one-sided for her.

No, Phantom used magic. Turn on JP text (or even voices) and Hakumen will exclaim that she's using magic in...Noel's bad end? I don't quite recall. Phantom just frequently got the jump on Rachel, and she was already kind of tired by that point. She mentions to Gii and Nago that she couldn't teleport Hakumen out of Kokonoe's lab because she used up quite a bit of power breaking the seal on him.

I think she just exhausted much of her power and needs time to recuperate.

I just checked the tip with Rachel, and 魔術 is used for sorcery. 魔法 is magic. Meanwhile, Hakumen says that Phantom is using 魔法, magic, in Noel's bad end.

Edited November 7, 2013 by harmless kitten

[Vyral]

And Kokonoe says she doesn't know what happened to Terumi. But didn't he + Hazama both die by Trinity and Hakumen? Maybe she just doesn't know?

If he comes back to life, that will be disappointing somewhat lol (although his trollish nature is entertaining, the asshole seriously needs to die)

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Maybe Terumi is alive. But I feel Terumi can really betray Izanami if he wanted, just from looking at how he acts towards her.

I don't think Terumi is dead. He can't die like that and let many thing about him unexplained. Moreover, he is the main antagonist in the serie so he has some plot armor.

[Shadow Draygon]

Nu died all the time, never stopped her from coming back each game.

[mAc Chaos]

He can still hang around as a ghost too. Maybe it only killed the time for the current body.

[Zedar90]

He can still hang around as a ghost too. Maybe it only killed the time for the current body.

The whole reason for the switch between Hazama and Terumi was so that they could kill the spirit body (Ghost). If Terumi will return in some way in BB4 it would be that Hazama is revived by the life-link between Noel and him. In the library it seems like it still is active.

[Rishtopher]

I've been avoiding this thread so that I don't get spoiled for the actual story mode but I got curious.

Just wanted to know if there's a post containing Arcade Mode translations? I don't mind getting spoiled on those, specifically.

Sorry if I missed it; like I said, trying not to get story mode spoiled.

[Shinhwa]

The whole reason for the switch between Hazama and Terumi was so that they could kill the spirit body (Ghost). If Terumi will return in some way in BB4 it would be that Hazama is revived by the life-link between Noel and him. In the library it seems like it still is active.

The Life Link still exists between them? O_o

[Zedar90]

The Life Link still exists between them? O_o

Library says that currently Ragna and Nu, Hazama and Noel has a life-link. If it was broken in CS it probably say it there,

[Luminos564]

Library says that currently Ragna and Nu, Hazama and Noel has a life-link. If it was broken in CS it probably say it there,

Weird. Hazama explicitly stated (in the localized version at least) using past tense that "Ragna and the 13th unit had a life link" when explaining his own with Noel, which would indicate that it was broken when Nu-13 fell into the Cauldron by herself. I was also under the impression that Ragna countering Mu-12's tempering also nullified it. Turns out I was wrong.

[Zedar90]

Weird. Hazama explicitly stated (in the localized version at least) using past tense that "Ragna and the 13th unit had a life link" when explaining his own with Noel, which would indicate that it was broken when Nu-13 fell into the Cauldron by herself. I was also under the impression that Ragna countering Mu-12's tempering also nullified it. Looks like I was wrong.

What the Life-Link does it makes it impossible to observe death of one if the other one is alive, so in one way it could have been broken when Nu was in the boundary and restored when she came back to the world.

[raziel12]

loop holes that need to be filled

1. what happened to nu and where ragna disappear to

2.what happened to nine and jubei

3.where is azrael and bullet after the incident in the arena

4.where is Taokaka and what she been doing

5.what hapened to carl,litchi and relius after they retreated

6.How did Ragna get hold of his jacket and sword when it is supposed to be stuck in a time loop

i see dark times ahead only people who won't agree to rachel killing ragna is Noel and cecila makato might help since its noel and cecila wants her help i see another runaway again lol

Edited November 7, 2013 by raziel12

[Zedar90]

How did Ragna get hold of his jacket and sword when it is supposed to be stuck in a time loop...

[raziel12]

lol yep need to add that

[raziel12]

How did Ragna get hold of his jacket and sword when it is supposed to be stuck in a time loop...

zedar i have a question even though i know you get tired answering them lol

( wat is the BlazBlue and wats it purpose )

[Zedar90]

zedar i have a question even though i know you get tired answering them lol

( wat is the BlazBlue and wats it purpose )

Which? There is at least three different Blazblue...

[raziel12]

Which? There is at least three different Blazblue...

if dont mind all three im trying to get a better understanding of them

[Zedar90]

The Azure Grimoire(蒼の魔道書): The Grimoire known as the strongest. It is also known as the Original Book. Even tough it is called Grimoire it is like the Black Beast a highly condensed seithr with no real shape. It is currently Ragnas right arm.

Originally it would like a cauldron use the ”Power of Boundary” to temper a power to oppose the master unit, however it started to drain souls uncontrollably and became like the black beast and started to indiscriminateｌｙ drain souls.

It was planned and made by Yuuki Terumi.

Code SOL: The Azure Grimoire. SOL is short for Soul Of Language. In it's basics it is the same as Ragnas BlazBlue however since Hazama whole body is made the same as BlazBlue it is a lot stronger than Ragnas BlazBlue. After it is activated it will drain all life force within its field.

The Blue/Green Grimoire (碧の魔道書) : The Grimoire that Hazama possesses. It nullifies the power of the Azure Grimoire.

The book of Blue Blaze(蒼炎の書): Not much is said about it, it could be the Embryo. It is the True Blazblue.

Edited November 7, 2013 by Zedar90

[Shinhwa]

What the Life-Link does it makes it impossible to observe death of one if the other one is alive, so in one way it could have been broken when Nu was in the boundary and restored when she came back to the world.

Are you saying it's broken now? Because Nu did say she still has Life Link with him during the battle between her and Ragna in Takemikazuchi

[raziel12]

The Azure Grimoire(蒼の魔道書): The Grimoire known as the strongest. It is also known as the Original Book. Even tough it is called Grimoire it is like the Black Beast a highly condensed seithr with no real shape. It is currently Ragnas right arm.

Originally it would like a cauldron use the ”Power of Boundary” to temper a power to oppose the master unit, however it started to drain souls uncontrollably and became like the black beast and started to indiscriminateｌｙ drain souls.

It was planned and made by Yuuki Terumi.

Code SOL: The Azure Grimoire. SOL is short for Soul Of Language. In it's basics it is the same as Ragnas BlazBlue however since Hazama whole body is made the same as BlazBlue it is a lot stronger than Ragnas BlazBlue. After it is activated it will drain all life force within its field.

The Blue/Green Grimoire (碧の魔道書) : The Grimoire that Hazama possesses. It nullifies the power of the Azure Grimoire.

The book of Blue Blaze(蒼炎の書): Not much is said about it, it could be the Embryo. It is the True Blazblue.

ok now i get it i think i know how Izanami intents to make the true Blazblue now

[Zedar90]

Are you saying it's broken now? Because Nu did say she still has Life Link with him during the battle between her and Ragna in Takemikazuchi

No, that it could have been broken (or at least not working) during CS, since Nu was in the Boundary, i.e. outside of the system so the system could only "see" Ragna. So when Ragna dies the system "sees" him as dead since Nu is "gone"

[Luminos564]

What the Life-Link does it makes it impossible to observe death of one if the other one is alive, so in one way it could have been broken when Nu was in the boundary and restored when she came back to the world.

No, that it could have been broken (or at least not working) during CS, since Nu was in the Boundary, i.e. outside of the system so the system could only "see" Ragna. So when Ragna dies the system "sees" him as dead since Nu is "gone"

Wait, hold up. Then how does that explain Lambda-11? She died in Continuum Shift after being stabbed by Hazama, yet the 11th unit housed Nu-13's soul and at the time of death, both she and Ragna saw/observed/identified her as "Nu-13". If that was the case, then shouldn't the Life Link already been re-established and Lambda-11 would not have died? Or does having the actual soul not matter unless the body is present?

[Zedar90]

Wait, hold up. Then how does that explain Lambda-11? She died in Continuum Shift after being stabbed by Hazama, yet the 11th unit housed Nu-13's soul and at the time of death, both she and Ragna saw/observed/identified her as "Nu-13". If that was the case, then shouldn't the Life Link already been re-established and Lambda-11 would not have died? Or does having the actual soul not matter unless the body is present?

The question is if the Link is with the Soul or body, if it is with the soul, yeah it is starnage but not if it is with the body. It says between Noel and Hazama, not Noel and Terumi.

[Luminos564]

The question is if the Link is with the Soul or body, if it is with the soul, yeah it is starnage but not if it is with the body. It says between Noel and Hazama, not Noel and Terumi.

But that's a little bit different isn't it? There is only one Hazama body (that we know of at least), while there's 3 Murakumo clones based on Saya (units 11, 12 and 13). If we're talking about the body, then for all intents and purposes, Lambda-11's body should be a dead ringer for Nu-13's own with the only thing missing is her half of the Azure.

[Zedar90]

But that's a little bit different isn't it? There is only one Hazama body (that we know of at least), while there's 3 Murakumo clones based on Saya (units 11, 12 and 13). If we're talking about the body, then for all intents and purposes, Lambda-11's body should be a dead ringer for Nu-13's own with the only thing missing is her half of the Azure.

Why? no.11, no.12 and no.13 is completely different bodies. I don't expect these three to be completely the same, why would they? If they were 100% same, why is only Noel the successor of the azure.

[Shinhwa]

Wait, why was Life Link even created for Nu and Ragna in the first place again? More like when did it happen? I don't remember it happening back in Calamity Trigger.