Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Shinhwa]

Maybe the next game will explain their origin.

[LionHeartx]

So is there a detailed summary of all the major events that happened in BBCP? Sorry if it was posted earlier I'm behind on this thread.

[Shinhwa]

So is there a detailed summary of all the major events that happened in BBCP? Sorry if it was posted earlier I'm behind on this thread.

The Story thread has it kind of.

[Shinhwa]

Does anyone think Noel = Saya's soul that escaped the "vessel" after Izanami took it over?

I am seeing a lot of these speculation and theory articles in Korean websites that Noel might actually be the original Saya who had her memories erased, mostly because of how Noel's personality = Saya's personality along with the fact she kept calling Ragna Nii-sama unconciously in CP.

Although both Noel and Nu are clones of Saya, only Noel is the one who has like 99% equality towards Saya's personality while Nu doesn't.

[Master Of Chaos]

Izanami says she can feel Saya's "Devotion" towards Ragna, so I strongly doubt it. It also doesn't really make sense (Not like anything in this series really does but that would be a fuckton of what if it were true) because Noel's only been around 5 years, while Izanami's been using Saya for god knows how many. Noel's also an incomplete clone that wasn't tempered.

[Shinhwa]

Izanami says she can feel Saya's "Devotion" towards Ragna, so I strongly doubt it. It also doesn't really make sense (Not like anything in this series really does but that would be a fuckton of what if it were true) because Noel's only been around 5 years, while Izanami's been using Saya for god knows how many. Noel's also an incomplete clone that wasn't tempered.

Yeah, that's the thing too. That was also stated. But as I said, those were just speculation and theories made by some Korean players.

[Chaoschao222]

So what the game says vs Korean speculation

[Shinhwa]

So what the game says vs Korean speculation

Huh? What do you mean by that.

[Shinhwa]

Anyone feel Izanami will hire Azrael into her side in the next game? Looking by his nature I would say it is highly possible lol

[kylehyde]

Anyone feel Izanami will hire Azrael into her side in the next game? Looking by his nature I would say it is highly possible lol

I think if Ragna has no control over his mind anymore, it's probably very possible that he will be Saya's right hand man in the last game.

Azreal on the other hand, I see him as someone who doesn't like to be ordered around :<

[Shinhwa]

I think if Ragna has no control over his mind anymore, it's probably very possible that he will be Saya's right hand man in the last game.

Azreal on the other hand, I see him as someone who doesn't like to be ordered around :<

Of course he won't be ordered around. I am sure Izanami will just let Azrael run wild by letting him fight the strong people (the protagonists).

And well according to a lot of reviewers and speculators, they are agreeing that in the worst case, Ragna might be a semi-boss or something in the next game. But because there are tons of people that have become his allies and friends, that they won't just leave him be.

People are saying Celica might sacrifice herself or something for Ragna in the next game, mostly due to the fact she is

1. a fake/copy

2. Her lifespan is low

3. She loves Ragna

4. She has elements that can suppress seithr (although a canceller has been made for Ragna before)

But taking into account the story about the Girl = Monster and the "Eiyuu (hero)", some also think that the Hero was actually Ragna before his character development, where he just destroyed and destroyed and that the monster = Nu, where Ragna just destroyed her instead of saving her, which brought the End and made the Time Loop go back to the beginning.

But the Ragna after character development became a Yuusha (OR is in the progress to be somewhat still), who then tries/will try to save the monster/girl = Nu.

I am sure there will be more dialogue about Bullet and Tager in the next game (since not much has come out about them in CP), and they may fight together against Azrael (I mean they never got their revenge against him much).

Some also think Saya's soul kind of split into two, where one side remains in the current Izanami's vessel and the other being in Noel. Mostly because of how Noel acted in CP about Ragna really, and the factor where in Episode 13, Izanami said Hazama "broke" the vessel in the past, which might be part of the reason why Nu and Noel had fragments of Saya's memories in the past, except they weren't equally divided that a huge broken part went into Noel.

It's a speculation, but the fact that Noel had pretty much acted 98% in accuracy in terms of personality equal to Saya and that her memories about Ragna (including the lost memory that Nu explained about) is a factor to take in if considering Noel's real true identity, where it is speculated she isn't just a Saya's clone but might be part of Saya herself who escaped the vessel somewhat.

I know it's not defined properly yet, but there was also the factor that Izanami/Saya had called Noel trash/garbage back in CS is another factor to take in.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Shinhwa

[Zedar90]

About Ragna, there is one more that could probably calm down the power of the beast, and that is Homura. Homura is from the Amanohokosaka family which has strong ties to the Black Beast, and Mei in Xblaze was able to seal the Grimoire of Origin inside Touya using Blood Kain in one of the endings.

[Shinhwa]

About Ragna, there is one more that could probably calm down the power of the beast, and that is Homura. Homura is from the Amanohokosaka family which has strong ties to the Black Beast, and Mei in Xblaze was able to seal the Grimoire of Origin inside Touya using Blood Kain in one of the endings.

O shit that's right. I totally forgot about him O.O;;

Yeah, considering he is the guy who will become the next Mikado, I would say he might have a bigger role in the next game o.o

[raziel12]

the saya theory sound like something off of kingdom hearts lol

[Shinhwa]

the saya theory sound like something off of kingdom hearts lol

Never played Kingdom Hearts, so I have no idea.

But it is a fact that Noel is abnormally acting as if she was Saya, when compared to the other Saya-clones (Lambda died early off, so we can't really say anything about her, but Nu however she only remembers Ragna faintly and that's about it. Unlike Noel who has unconsciously called out for Ragna for help when she was sexually assaulted by Arakune, getting vision about Celica = Sister later when Ragna, Jin and Noel go off to fight Takemikazuchi, the lost memory about Ragna and the family and happy life she had while getting prepared to be fused with Hazama.

[Shinhwa]

You know, why do I feel in the next game, Ragna may toss aside the Azure Grimoire once and for all? From the way he treats the Azure Grimoire:

FROM EPISODE 13 (Rest will be posted later on in the story thread)

Ragna: Restriction 666 released, Dimensional Interference Field Deployed...

Ragna: Again... are you relying on that thing again...?

Azrael: That's right. Set it free!! If not then I can't release my true potential...

Ragna: It's different from that other location... When is this? Well it's fine.

Azrael: Enchant: Dragunov. Level 2... Release.

Ragna: An amplification spell? No, is it an Over Drive...? The output seems to be different from before...

Azrael: Both are wrong Grim Reaper.Enchant: Dragunov restrain my powers... Simply saying, it's a limiter.

Ragna: Is that so. You are strong. At this rate, it won't become good of a fight.

Ragna: ...Then were you going easy on me?

Azrael: It can't be helped. If I fight for real, the opponent will die immediately. Then I can't enjoy myself.

Ragna: Sounds good, since I was going easy on you too. Alright let's do what we always do.

Azrael: Hm? Ah, it's still level 2. But Grim Reaper, it's been a long time since I had released Enchant: Dragunov. I can't restrain my excitement. As expected of the Grim Reaper. I guess that name isn't for show.

Azrael: Well, don't concern yourself and bring it on. It's still not enough after all!!!

Ragna: Idea Engine Connected!

Ragna: ... Is it really ok? Is it truly ok? Am I running away into it again? Am I relying on this power again?

Ragna: Just what is this power?

Ragna: If this isn't my power, just who is this power for Master?!

Ragna: This is my power! It's my freedom of how I want to use it!

Ragna: Shut up! It's not mine! But if it's not mine, just what is this power?!

Ragna: Damn it, who is it? Giving me this kind of power?!

Rachel: To accept this power or not... you choose.

Ragna: That's right... the one who wanted this power was me.

Ragna: I wanted this power... to defeat. To defeat my enemy... Terumi and the Mikado.

Sister: Promise me... no matter what happens...

Ragna: No... think thoroughly. To defeat the enemy? Why you acting so cool? Just who is the enemy? Terumi? Mikado? No... that kind of reason was an excuse.

Ragna: That time was really scary. I was just scared... Everything disappeared in front of my eyes...

Ragna: Because it was suffering, sad, and because I was in despair over my weakness... I ran away into this power.

Ragna: Because I wanted to not face an experience like that ever again...

Ragna: Because I didn't want to lose anyone...

Celica: That's right! Ragna, I have a suggestion. Fighting to protect me. How about that? Isn't that a good reason for Ragna?

Ragna: Because I want to protect things that are important to me...

Ragna: I wanted power!

Ragna: Blazblue!!!

Ragna: Stop it!! Don't activate it! This is a power to steal!!

He is calling Blazblue the power that steals. However I think there is a more further meaning to it, where for example, the Azure Grimoire doesn't reveal its power to those who rely on it or don't have a good reason to fight. The user must be in a certain state of mind and such to reveal the true Blazblue and use its true powers.

I mean the name is referenced from: Blue, Brave, Blaze. Which are kind of positive words. So I think like there is another side to it that was unknown to everyone.

[kylehyde]

^I'm liking this new side of Ragna.

[BlackYakuzu94]

So Ragna acknowledges that he just wanted power to protect things he lost, and just used the likes of Terumi and the Imperator as scapegoats to hide that fact. Interesting.

[Shinhwa]

^I'm liking this new side of Ragna.

Compared to CT, where he was just destroying,

Compared to CS, where he was still kind of lacking in development,

We finally got more development to Ragna's character positively in this game.

[Shinhwa]

So Ragna acknowledges that he just wanted power to protect things he lost, and just used the likes of Terumi and the Imperator as scapegoats to hide that fact. Interesting.

It is a given fact that the world is running through a corrupt system. The seithr, the time loops, Takahamagara, and Amaterasu was also responsible causing time loops. Ragna's true enemies aren't them since they too are kind of victims who went corrupt after falling victim to the world's system. It is the world's current system pretty much that is the true enemy. This is another reason why Ragna is called the destroyer.

[ImmaYuukiTerumi]

Yes, the No.5 was on the cover of "BlazBlue Song Accord 2 with Continuum Shift II" aswell as on this picture:http://i.imgur.com/rROZTi7.jpg.

That Azure Grimoire seems to be spreading.

[Shinhwa]

So after re-watching Episode 18 of chronophantasma route, there is one line that caught my interest:

Saya: (Nii-sama is rejecting me again...)

I don't know if Izanami did that on purpose, but for some reason, I think that line kind of directs to something. It also kind of makes me remind me about the Girl=Monster and the Hero (Eiyuu) story.

I can tell that the story has a huge meaning behind the entire Blazblue story.

[Toxin45]

Maybe Izanami possessed Saya earlier and is the who gave Jin yukianasa.This could have been what given Saya "sickness" and Jin was trying to get Saya out of Izanami's possession but failed due to Yukianasa and got his memories eaten by Terumi for knowing too much and like what happen in the forest seeing that is how Izanami possessed Saya.

[Toxin45]

Well Izanami could be the Actual Death Goddess considered that she is death personified.

[Master Of Chaos]

.....There is no "Could be." She IS the actual death goddess.