TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Yeah I've definitely seen Ragna get hit after TK BS was blocked on a consistent basis, probably why almost no one does it.
Tong Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 can max range jC bs hit same side? either that could serve as mixup, or maybe there could be left right mixup between blood scythe and gh cancel haha Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CZHiW5qYI&feature=player_detailpage#t=382s Hmm, maybe?
LuminAbyss Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CZHiW5qYI&feature=player_detailpage#t=382s Hmm, maybe? I saw that too, it might be pretty useful, especially with meter.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CZHiW5qYI&t=16m8s Seems to be the leading use of BS so far.
Tong Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Looks like he tried to 6A it, but when Ragna switched sides a 5A came out instead. May be useful against certain anti-airs (namely ones that require "6" input), but that only worked because Dio reacted too late, and Carl's AA isn't that good. So as long as you mixup properly, BS will rarely be punished.
RazielStrife91 Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woe5ERr7UaU what do you guys think of this ragna player?
Errol Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Looks like he tried to 6A it, but when Ragna switched sides a 5A came out instead. May be useful against certain anti-airs (namely ones that require "6" input), but that only worked because Dio reacted too late, and Carl's AA isn't that good. So as long as you mixup properly, BS will rarely be punished. I think I've seen this here before but I can't remember so I'll ask again. if Carl's anti-air isn't good, what the heck is a good anti-air. Thank you.
Tong Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Hazama's 2C and Ragna's 6A. Both can win against air attack directly above them. They're very reliable.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Hazama's 2C and Ragna's 6A. Both can win against air attack directly above them. They're very reliable. Hazama 2C doesn't even compare to Ragna 6A. Ragna 6A and Relius 2C are probably two of the strongest AA in the game. The long warmup on Haza 2C is just terrible. I have much greater success using 5c for AA on Hazama.
Tong Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Timing on it is a little weird... I like it because even though it trades sometimes, allows you to followup with a combo.
Errol Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 When it comes to BS, I don't there are going to be very many AAs that can handle it. It's probably going to come down to AAs with crossup hitboxes or the very best AAs. Rachels 6A, Wolf anti air (probably the two best anti-airs in the game) then stuff like Plat 2c, Lambda 2c, Mu 2c. and maybe cat chair, ragna 6a, or Tager 2c.
Tong Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Well it's not amazing as it looks. I've seen alot of AA's, Carl's included, beating head-on BS cleanly.
Errol Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Crossups? I'm talking about crossups. Non crossup, of course. And when it comes to that, carl's AA is about as good as you can get.
LuminAbyss Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Looks like he tried to 6A it, but when Ragna switched sides a 5A came out instead. May be useful against certain anti-airs (namely ones that require "6" input), but that only worked because Dio reacted too late, and Carl's AA isn't that good. So as long as you mixup properly, BS will rarely be punished. Judging by the video, I think EVEN if Dio had reacted better, it would have worked. Ragna's hitbox looks like it'd be in a good position to avoid most anti-airs. Just going by observation.
Errol Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Yea, that's what I'm saying. It hits too quickly after it crosses up for you to beat it with any anti-air that doesn't hit behind you. Most anti-airs don't work so hot against crossups. Def not Tsubaki's.
LuminAbyss Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 gotta love dat haku 5D Mac please stop crushing our hopes and dreams.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Don't worry mAc will just run away instead of actually doing anything.
Tong Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woe5ERr7UaU what do you guys think of this ragna player? This guy is a beast. Looks like he managed to optimize many combos and I liked this one off 2B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khQdj2TvCjk&feature=player_detailpage#t=283s
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 That guy is good. The Litchi that he beats in that vid is the number 3 Litchi in Japan, and 10th overall. I can't even find that Ragna on the ranking; he just doesn't show up.
KayEff Posted January 21, 2013 Author Posted January 21, 2013 you mean this guy? i also just noticed that i've been following him on twitter for some time now. what a coincidence.
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Ah, changed names since that video. Number 13 Ragna, 122 overall? Dude is a beast even then, hopefully he'll jump up the ranks quickly.
Fistmaster049 Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Its players like that that give me plenty hope for Ragna in CP
Kuraudo_V6 Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 2C losing Fatal properties? Not a problem! It's still great for combo starters on counter it seems like! I'll take my 3k combos.
RazielStrife91 Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Despite the fact 2C lost Fatal Counter properties it seems you can still follow up a 6C from a 2C Counter hit starter hmmmm And if you get a 2C CH starter in the corner you can still get around 4.2k meterless damage Edited January 21, 2013 by RazielStrife91
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