Dark Ranger88 Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 What are we supposed to do for long range midscreen crouch confirms now? T.TOh and you say Comet Cannon is faster now. Do we recover from setting it more quickly, or does the projectile just travel faster when shot?
Shado_Onikkisu Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 What are we supposed to do for long range midscreen crouch confirms now? T.TOh and you say Comet Cannon is faster now. Do we recover from setting it more quickly, or does the projectile just travel faster when shot?i think we might still have those. not being able to combo after stargazer doesn't sound right at all to me, so i'm praying that maybe they just made it harder to follow up the combo. also Comet Cannon, the break shot animation didn't look too much different than on BBCPEX but the projectile itself travels faster now when fired. the JP players say that "its about the same speed as Azrael's phalanx" . another thing i saw was that comet cannon is much bigger now. i think it either gets big from the start or gets bigger after a moment like Kagura's fireball.
Yazumatto Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 No one wants to play Makoto in Japan which means no info. :/ Makoto's laying down mid-screen mixtapes hotter than the sun though. https://twitter.com/herikasu/status/660786721907347456
MoneyD90 Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 Makoto is secret S tier this time. Don't post anything else or they will fix it! Lol
Shado_Onikkisu Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 21 hours ago, Yazumatto said: No one wants to play Makoto in Japan which means no info. :/ Makoto's laying down mid-screen mixtapes hotter than the sun though. https://twitter.com/herikasu/status/660786721907347456 Now lets see her Corner combos and i'm set..
milesw Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 On 11/5/2015 11:50:58, Yazumatto said: No one wants to play Makoto in Japan which means no info. :/ Makoto's laying down mid-screen mixtapes hotter than the sun though. https://twitter.com/herikasu/status/660786721907347456 Nice! One week.
Shado_Onikkisu Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 soooo......i'm sad now. Shooting Star doesn't wallstick/wallsplat anymore. you can only get the wallstick on CH.. Stargazer can't be follow up anymore because of the popup effect on hit being removed. i think somebody said this earlier too. i see what he was talking about now.
cowtron Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Stargazer and mars chopper now only come out after infinite rush occurs ie 2 hits. It's kind of wierd now since marschopper(overhead) doesn't cause knockdown anymore either. I think these are for just reseting pressure now since they seem to tech really fast after you confirm either of them. Sirius Jolt? 41236C The unblockable isn't really unblockable, but a gimmicky low. If they guard low, they can block and it feels pretty safe? If they guard high, it'll hit and it wallsplats from anywhere, which is really damn satisfying. 2C its faster, so 6B>5C>2C just works, but 6B>5C>214AC>star gazer doesn't work, so it's something to get use to. 5B>6C does not gattling, so you have to 5B>5C>6C if you don't already do that. Off of max range 5B you might want to go straight into lv1 5D and infinite rush ? Not to sure about this.
cowtron Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 I hope this works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctkmk3wTsjY
Shado_Onikkisu Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 recorded some footage of Makoto from a stream last night on Twitch. its all sparring mode though. alot of her changes are shown. especially for her.....*sniff* asteroid vision follow ups....
Arc Raizen Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 So I see 5D > 2C not working, 2D > 2C not working, and Shooting Star not wallsplatting/sticking/bouncing/whatever in the corner or on counter-hit...RIP Combos (Yes, I get it, 1st day, but thats some big stuff)
cowtron Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 2D>2C works, it's just timing is alot different since 2c Is faster.
MoneyD90 Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Hmmm... not sure how I feel about Makoto this time around... hopefully Goro and some of the other top Makoto players can show me something to get hyped about. Only day 1 though so maybe her tool kit is better then it seems vs bbcpex makoto?
Devdan Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 I sure picked a winner to try to main after deciding Mu was dead to me. I never got good with her though, so I guess that's a win?... Seriously can't stand how they balance this series. This was my favorite game once! I can hardly believe it.
Shado_Onikkisu Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 6 hours ago, Arc Raizen said: So I see 5D > 2C not working, 2D > 2C not working, and Shooting Star not wallsplatting/sticking/bouncing/whatever in the corner or on counter-hit...RIP Combos (Yes, I get it, 1st day, but thats some big stuff) 5D > 2C should still work. i saw another Makoto player do it during a combo. everybody just has to adjust to 2C's new speed now. i've seen like 4 makotos continuously drop 2C > Cosmic ray during a combo. lool
Arc Raizen Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Ok, that sounds a lot better (guy in the video posted missed all his 2D > 2Cs and never tried 5D > 66 > 2C, so I was afraid). Losing 2C in simple combos like that would destroy her, although if Shooting Star lost its combo potential, that is still a big hit. Is the 2C > Cosmic Ray just really awkward now, or just relatively new players not used to it? And I assume its still a combo staple.
milesw Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Got to try her out today. I couldnt do 5D>dash 2C Some useful combos Jolt>wall bound>5CC2C>2D>5B6A>Aerial route think that was almost 3k Corner 5BCC>2Dlv2>comet shotlv3 or2>6A>2D>2C>ray>aerial forgot the damage but i think it was a lil over 3k im at a loss for what the bnbs will be this time around :/ havent seen any new footage of her yet too Also was there a mention about the smp indicator. I did 2 5Ds in one combo and didnt notice any indicator nor did it seem prorated :0
Shado_Onikkisu Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) 5 hours ago, Arc Raizen said: Ok, that sounds a lot better (guy in the video posted missed all his 2D > 2Cs and never tried 5D > 66 > 2C, so I was afraid). Losing 2C in simple combos like that would destroy her, although if Shooting Star lost its combo potential, that is still a big hit. Is the 2C > Cosmic Ray just really awkward now, or just relatively new players not used to it? And I assume its still a combo staple. its still a combo staple. the only difference is 2C being faster so everybody just has to adjust to that and things should be good. for good players and new players too. 36 minutes ago, milesw said: Got to try her out today. I couldnt do 5D>dash 2C Some useful combos Jolt>wall bound>5CC2C>2D>5B6A>Aerial route think that was almost 3k Corner 5BCC>2Dlv2>comet shotlv3 or2>6A>2D>2C>ray>aerial forgot the damage but i think it was a lil over 3k im at a loss for what the bnbs will be this time around :/ havent seen any new footage of her yet too Also was there a mention about the smp indicator. I did 2 5Ds in one combo and didnt notice any indicator nor did it seem prorated :0 you can still do 5D > 2C. although it looks like you can only do 5D > 2C while in a combo now. Look at the link below. i think she still has that same problem from CPEX where you 5D someone, the pushback sometimes won't let you follow up with 2C. also, since some chars got weird hitboxes, try practicing most of this stuff on someone like Azrael or Ragna. also, SMP has been removed from nearly all normals - instead, now all Specials have it. SMP is now damage only, it no longer affects the amount of hitstun. https://youtu.be/9laWzDPmtm4?t=2958 Edited November 20, 2015 by Shado_Onikkisu
Kev-Ab Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 12 hours ago, Devdan said: I sure picked a winner to try to main after deciding Mu was dead to me. I never got good with her though, so I guess that's a win?... Seriously can't stand how they balance this series. This was my favorite game once! I can hardly believe it. I can feel you, I played Mu-12 as a side character since CS2 and in CPextend I don't even want to play her anymore... I don't even want to play Kagura CF either, it's not fun if he can't do 5K BnBs unless he's really faster. Anyways, I'm panicking about Shooting start no wallsticking, because now it's only use will be OD combos after being used in the 90% of the combos since CP 1.0, that's a jerk change. Also our friend jourdal did upload this video right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vktYLFBjzbQ Certainly for day 2 Combos they don't look bad, but with a more polishing I'm sure she could get more damage as well.
Shado_Onikkisu Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 RIP Shooting Star BBCP~BBCPEX. looks like its only purpose for it now is a reversal. .............unless they removed the invul it had...........
Arc Raizen Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Yeah, quick count has Shooting Star being used 65 times in my combo list. Whelp....time to throw that list out (again) and start fresh (when the game hits NA).
Devdan Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 My whining may have been premature, haha. Played through arcade mode with Makoto today, and aside from the nerf to shooting star messing up my corner throw damage, all the stuff I'd committed to memory still works. Although forward b only gets one hit now? Kind of an odd change. Not sure what to do with the new special either.
KericInfinitum Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 4 hours ago, Devdan said: My whining may have been premature, haha. Played through arcade mode with Makoto today, and aside from the nerf to shooting star messing up my corner throw damage, all the stuff I'd committed to memory still works. Although forward b only gets one hit now? Kind of an odd change. Not sure what to do with the new special either. 6B or Forward B only ever did 1 hit, I think your confusing the fact it also has the C follow-up that 5C or Neutral C has. Also Makoto's new Special can be used after her Back Throw or her Crush Trigger.
Shado_Onikkisu Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 6 hours ago, Devdan said: My whining may have been premature, haha. Played through arcade mode with Makoto today, and aside from the nerf to shooting star messing up my corner throw damage, all the stuff I'd committed to memory still works. Although forward b only gets one hit now? Kind of an odd change. Not sure what to do with the new special either. forward B one hit? it was always one hit. you're probably thinking of Forward B into C? 21 hours ago, Arc Raizen said: Yeah, quick count has Shooting Star being used 65 times in my combo list. Whelp....time to throw that list out (again) and start fresh (when the game hits NA). we might still be able to use shooting star in a way. like for resets or something in the corner/near corner. it seems like they removed wallstick from this move because of her new move having it now and shooting star not needed to be charged anymore.... has anyone seen how her drive moves act in OD? does shooting star still get property changes or is it just not a combo staple anymore because its not a "drive move" now...?
Devdan Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 Yeah, I meant 6B into CC. If that still works, the buttons on the machine I was playing on were malfunctioning in a remarkably specific way, because I tried to do it a lot of times.
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