Errol

TBH it seems like nitpicking to me. She's still ranked overall at the bottom. Even to the degree that tier lists matter (not much), it seems even less worthwhile to argue over the small points so much. It's funny how having the worst character seems like even more of a throne than having the best character. funny. another thought, with ragna's 5b buff, 5b does 660 compared to our a dp doing 600. No reason at all to respect the DP on wakeup...

Why would he say Tsubaki's DP is fast? it's strictly average, everything lands at 9-11 frames it seems, except ragna's is 7 and jin's c is 20. And then supers are faster, around 3 or 4 frames more often. altho, airk, gotta say that the focus on other DPs having at least two invuln frames is kinda weird. Kinda doesn't matter, either have invuln when active frames start or you don't. w/e On the topic of our DP, well, it has 5 active frames. that's a pretty decent amount of active frames, but I'm just wondering, where is the hitbox on those frames? Is the hitbox actually like a projectile too? it doesn't hit at the highest part of the hitbox until the 5th frame? And the D DP isn't a projectile at all, so is that different.. I'd guess so? Just wondering if the 'only 1 frame between invuln ending and hitbox starting' thing isn't quite accurate. like if it's notably worse than that if they're in the air.

yeah, there is some kind of penalty on landing. I'm not sure how it works though, but I think there's also a penalty if you're air barriering and land. I don't think I'm imagining it, I think I remember getting hit by sparkbolt as a result of the landing penalty from air barriering.. well, it's been so long. Sound familiar?

I already made this decision.. troll for 5 stock mugen.

How punishable what is?.. Anyway, you just limit your use of things that are punishable. Watch kuresu's matches, I assure you the people he's playing against would punish him if they could..

I was thinking the voting would be separate from the nomination process, via a poll or something..?

Yeah. Wait what?

benimaru's plain dp is active on frame 1 I think? May be some others, I don't know though (as opposed to having to spend meter).

Looks like voting is only for 1 player..

Wow, nice vid, didn't think about using 3c like that.

untechable time shouldn't have anything to do with on the ground 5b ch hits, I think. I'd think that would just be hit level, because you can't tech after a 5b ch , unless they're in the air. The other thing with 5b is that it has 5 active frames instead of 3 active frames. So you have to look at the hitboxes, it might be that you don't actually have a hitbox at same spot as the old 5b until 2 frames after startup. Which means it might be like "12" frames startup? Just some guesses. also some minor tidbits, not necessarily changes: 623a: 9 frame invuln, 10 frame startup 623b: uh, same as before, 10-18? or something like that 623c: no invuln, p2 down 10 623d: 10 frame invuln, 10 frame startup 214a,b: 8-14 invuln, 17 startup for a, 22 startup for b 214c: 13-29 invuln, 30 startup 214d: 10-24 invuln, 22 startup

I knew it. Where is the timing tight on landing all 3 hits? Getting 623D as soon as possible after mugen activation?

No, but you know my full name and what I look like. :3

Oh, Sure. Please sign me up: my name is Audrey Sometimes I go by Kira too, better put both down.

frame data is just a placeholder anyway. wiki is certainly for csex.

something seems wrong with calling lambda 5c spam after a knockdown 'mashing'...

Usually when they get a big and blatant nerfbat, it's because they're at the very top of the game? Of course I don't think S tier this game, D tier next game is great design, personally..

from what I've seen on jbbs the consensus is that tsubaki and makoto are dead last.. the only argument is which is worse and if they're bad enough to be in their own tier. Whatever.

Tsubaki's 5b has slower start up and went from +1 to -5. ..?

Hey, I can't remember, are double Dps dead? like 623c->214a(w)->623c->236a(w)->214d?

maybe the j236d-j214d doesn't complete DURING the mugen if you only have 1 bar, thus not giving the 110% bonus.

sure seems like it would help a lot if console release dates weren't so slow.. So many people get caught in this limbo between versions of the game, but I guess we can't do anything about that. Feels like there is only a few months of play before you can actually see the loketests for the next version happening in japan.

Well, not really.. Big tournaments tend to have much more visibility.. and as far as money goes, I don't think an entry fee is the point of a tournament. I see $$ as important for just these reasons: 1. Profitable for the organizer to hold the tournament (Can guess that there are more profitable things for EVO to do than BB). 2. Making players want to take part in the tournament, particularly players that people might actually want to watch on a stream (ad revenue) or in person (viewer passes) I dunno. I'm not sold on the idea myself. But we already basically know that dumping money in the pot for the top performers does jack for participation. Trying to think of other ways that $$$ could help.

@stick & @cake I agree that the entry fee is insignificant compared to travel costs. in that regard, I don't see it making people come out to play BB, totally agree. Here's a thought though: maybe free entry would get people who are already there to sign up though. Maybe some people will be at the major for other reasons, and if it's free, why not. Granted, to the degree that it gets more entrants, the quality of play would go down as well.. but maybe it'd get more people playing which could possibly lead to something. I guess I also wouldn't be too surprised if there are people that go and watch BB but don't feel quite up to playing when they'll get knocked out quickly..

Just a thought.. I wonder if it wouldn't help more to throw money into the pot so that players don't have ot pay an entry fee, than to make it so that the top 1-16 players get more money?