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'cause gaining magatama from projectile is so going to help in 90% of the match-ups. >_> We need to spend more metre to do less damage, and the only buffs we get to metre gain is that succesfull Zanshin always gives magatama and OD? Seems like Hakumen is going to be one-chance character in this installation.

SolarMisae, when I took an extra look at your custom title; [bad pun]This would explain why Hakumen mirrors are always so interesting.[/bad pun] [amomentofsilenceforourfriendsinthelolizone.jpg] Which is totally normal in the Japanese Second Dimesion. You guys just need to get your 3D glasses full of prejudice of and embrace the glory of 2D! I was like :drool: when I saw Bullet! (well, anytime I see 2D wonderchests) And I realize that it is bed time, because my humour is getting worse by the minute! XD by the way, I translated the Hakumen JBBS. Some sidetalk included that Carl indeed got a new astral. No description though. Noels new astral is a counterattack? Good night

Translated what I saw on the JBBS: Here Worst part of it all, maybe opponent can whatever cancel to avoid Zanshin. >_>

I've going through all posts on the JBBS regarding Hakumen. Covers posts until 436 Yukikaze catches Crush Trigger Zanshin gives magatama even on projectile block Tsubaki > Hotaru possible Tsubaki > Hotaru > dash JB > 5A > JB > J2A > jump JC = 3999 (5 magatama) Tsubaki (CH) is emergency techable 5C > Renka(1) > Gurren > dash JB > JA > 2C > JB > J2A > J2C > Agito is less than 3k 6B(CH) > 2A/5C/2C all possible [Midscreen] Forward Throw > Crush Trigger > 2C > J2A > jump J2C > Agito = 3099 (3 magatama) [Corner] 6C > 2C possible OD + Mugen stops gauge 2A gatlings to 3C Full health OD gives takes you to a little more than 3 magatama [Low] JD > 5A possible JD > Shippuu = ~3,2k J2C > 5C > Shippuu = ~4k J2A > dash JA possible, but is really dependent on height Akumetsu haven't changed 2B slower start-up Max 6C/4C does not guard crush Agito is NOT overhead [Corner]Renka > 6C possible [Midscreen] Renka > step 5A/2C not possible Renka > 6C might work on someone, probably Tager Hotaru > dash X is really simple, but after that it is really hard to find something to do Rumours/Thoughts/Things I can't believe until I see it standard aerial is probably JB > J2A > jump J2C > Agito Jin was able to jump cancel J2C and block 5D and 6D (you're fucking kidding me) Combo rate might have been improved Tsubacopter might been removed Renka might have lost bonus proration or damage, raw might deal less than 1k Renka > dash JB > JA is inpossible to follow-up midscreen, 2C is too slow, and 5A doesn't reach (Corner) Renka > 6C is unstable, might be character specific 3C and 4C might have gotten longer reach Hakumens hurtbox might have gotten lower, Platinum misses rising JB 6C has not repeat proration anymore? J2A might have gotten more horizontal pushback then last loketest On a completely different note, they mentioned some other stuff: "Noels AH, she puts something barrier-like and it activates if you attack. Wait a second? I think I've seen such an AH before somewhere." [*] Noel 6C no longer has repeat proration, and can combo 5~6 times in a row in corner Mori wants to make combos shorter and hates loops?

BLASPHEMY! RESPECT THE BOOBIES! >: |

You're not baiting it correctly. You don't "bait" Zanshin with projectile oki. You bait it with running in and stopping/jumping away. Use some throw mix-up and Hakumen won't have the balls to use it. I mean, purple throws I would say are very safe. Succesful Zanshin gives us about 3k. Bait it correctly and get a CH combo for some characters can go all the way up to 5k. Why JD was nerfed? Because unlike all other reversals, Hakumen must choose between blocking underknees and overheads, but this is circumvented with JD. Yes. ^This. I can't see how Hakumen is viable when his defence is greatly weakened, lost all corner carry and must spend more magatama to do less damage. Why Hakumen appealed to me most was because of his uniqueness. I mean Zanshin is a pretty unique game mechanic, the magatama system is pretty unique and the fact that he uses air dash instead of jump cancel in his aerial combos are quite unique. I can't be loyal to someone I don't know. They've removed Hakumen (白面) from this game, there is a look-a-like Jakumen (弱面) though. If you activate OD and then win the round or lose the round before your OD time is over, you seem to get 33% back. GG had way too low resolution and played way too fast for a noob like me, who had never played a 2D fighter before. And then we have to FD every ground to air and throws are 1F start-up? Good way to welcome new players... I don't see any problem with hating SameFighter though : p Interviewer: People are expecting Kokonoe. Mori: People should know that I am a liar. Jin got a white-hair/red-clothes palette and Ragna got a blond-hair/blue-clothes palette. [iseewhatyoudidthere.png] Yesterdays videos are all up. Won't be going today. I might consider going tomorrow. Later today I think of compiling everything regarding Hakumen and Tager from the JBBS, if someone else already haven't done it. edit: "Bloomer"

Like, tap it and flying opponent is grounded. Hold it and it got Collider pull sideways.

Rumours on the JBBS: 6B(CH) > 5C/2C possible low JD > 5A possible

But can you really autopilot 2D against anything, except Sickle Storm/Comet Cannon oki?

Don't know which are new for Loketest 2 or if they have been mentioned before but; System Overdrive active time seems to be greatly reduced You get about 33% Burst if a round ends while you're in OD Hakumen 2D doesn't bounce 6B > 5A might work Hotaru > dash JC works near corner, but 2C seems to not connect after this Corner combo with Renka (1) > Kishuu and Hotaru yields 4k+ Rumours on the JBBS that you get 1 magatama from Zanshin even if the throw misses 1 magatama Emma (D > [A]) is gone Tager Gadget Finger has MAJESTIC pull J2C > 5B possible C Driver > Gadget possible Jin 5B vacuum back! Musou cancel corner stick chains to 5B and leads to great damage. Tosshougeki (2) starts up even on miss Fubuki useless in corner 6A doesn't bounce airborne opponent Platinum Hammer is guard crush? o.o Present staff has 4 charges, you can have 2 presents on the field, 236D(?) uses 2 charges Arakune [*] New animation after astral hits [*] Seems like Overdrive works differently from Loketest 1 Bullet [*] Has a move where she rolls forward and attack, chains to projectile Hazama [*] New DD deals precisely 3k raw [*] Zaneiga got repeat proration (?) [*] in the 6D > 4D > J6D(?) > Jakou chain, 4D is very hard to hit with, either timing or hitbox specific [*] Jakou > Rekkazan possible

I miss the boobies... T_T [total impression based opinion] Even though Zanshin is very good against the characters you mentioned, and let us not forget Lambda and Mu. But for what I have seen, it's not like this match-ups are 80-20 for Hakumen. If they are going to nerf Hakumens most important (?) tool vs Carl/Relius which I would say is a 50/50 match-ups, they should nerf Hazamas/Valkenhayns/Taokakas movement as well, as they are at least 60/40 (probably 70/30) match-ups for Tager. [/total impression based opinion] And I will still claim that ID > Zanshin. Though, regarding the Zanshin nerfes, I think the 6D is the worst. I just don't understand it, especially as 5D seems to be delayable in some fashion.

I'm not concerned about the strength of the pull in, I'm concerned that the only thing you can chain from Collider is 2D or Sparkryuuken midscreen, because of the new bouncing direction. Though, I must say Tager looks pretty solid today. Seems like they're trying to make him combo without Collider. Collider works wonder into corner though. I will only go into this discussion, if you don't mind discussing it with me who has played very little. I can only base my opinions on whatever the Japanese pros does in the videos Jourdal and Pktazn uploads, as I have very little experience myself. If you are okay with that, I will explain how I view it. Fuumajin is only active three in game seconds. You barely have the time to do anything with it anyway. But according to JBBS Fuumajin lost active time last Loketest. No. From what I could see it works exactly the same as before, though opponent was hit during the first "swing" so I can't say whether you can control it better now. What happens when you are hit have an entirely new animation though! Opponent is trapped in a spider web that covers the whole screen, then eyes appears, from those eyes black spiders start to crawl out all over the screen... until everything is black. Astral Finish! and a rain of blood continues until the screen fades. "Damn you auto-correct!" Why doesn't my dictionary has such an important word as "loli"!? >_< I actually never left the entrance, so I have no idea of many people were inside. Though it seemed like after 23:00 it was mostly the same people playing. Or everyone just love Jin.

I'm heading home right now. I will be answering posts when I have a proper keyboard.

Characters I have NOT got any footage as of yet: Bang, Litchi, Noel, Taokaka. Twitter is updated.

I will look at the JBBS when I get home, alot of new info there.

[androider] Kill it! Kill it with fire! [/androider] If it is 2 hour queue I won't be playing. I've almost no arcade expereince, I feel crippled without my 360 D-pad. >_> If the queue is short I might give it a go, but I'll probably only play Hakumen and Tager. I will report whatever I see, though as I am not familiar with Arakune, I probably can't tell much what is different. I damn hope you do! >: P It isn't exactly free going there. But I would go anyway today, because I must see if Shitmen reevolves into Hakumen. By the way, which did you prefer? HD or VGA?

I guess I'll be heading for Akihabara after school tomorrow. ; ) Crossing my fingers for not Shitmen and normal Atomic Collider.

Rather the opposite. While most other characters do whatever > JX > jump JX > whatever, Hakumen has since CT done whatever > JX > dash JX > whatever, which is not possible anymore. Nerfed counters as well, and what makes the character more unique than his or her Drive? At the loketest each character had four colours, where as they were not same as CS. Some were similar though. Jakou slides, so I don't think you can combo after it midscreen even with rapid cancel. I've renamed the videos from "August Loketest" to "Loketest 1". I have some bad news though. I have some more videos, but they seem to become corrupted ever since I put them on my external drive. I can watch them, but it is hard to tell if something is as my computer is so slow that I cannot hope to view the videos without lag. If I try to move the files from the drive it says it cannot read the source after a while, and even if I try to upload directly to the tube, they get stuck after a while. I've successfully moved other files, so it the drive cannot be (completely) broken. Well, I guess they are outdated within 48 hours but, if anyone has a good idea, I'm up for it. EDIT: Apparently two videos had made it to the computer, so two new clips are up! ; )

too late; done reading* All I ask for is that we get to keep J2A and have a useful drive button.

I think you gain more when you win than you lose when you lose, meaning that play time is "half" of the PSR.

I will use those wise words for my signature. edit: was too long >_<

Regarding PSR. Not entirely sure how the system works but... If someone has 600 PSR and 90% win rate (i.e. wins nine out of ten matches) they are horribly underranked. You have to consider the opponents. When you are at 50% win rate you are correctly ranked, as players are as good as you. (Disregarding balance and match-ups) Right? ._.

Osaka is too far. >_<

Hakumen without his J2A, who has been his best friend since CT, isn't Hakumen. There must be another way to make him fit in CP. T_T I hope that this first loketest is just pitching crazy ideas, and they'll nerf in appropriately.

Good? Not much... New? A lot. Might put everything I know here. SYSTEM Overdrive increases magatama gain and makes Zanshin special cancelable. New Crush Trigger cost 2 magatama, and launches opponent straight up, chaining to 2C. NORMALS 6B is throw cancelable. (?) 2C floats lower. Forward throw causes stagger instead of blowback, chains to 5C. J2A doesn't reset gravity. JC wall sticks. J2C floats lower. DRIVE 5D is delayable. 6D is not instant, probably active from circa 10F. SPECIALS [*] New move Agito (J214A) supposedly crosses up from step, but is impossible to combo from even on counterhit and has low damage.[*] Kishuu lost projectile immunity. (?) [*] Hotaru floats Hakumen higher, launches opponent shorter and lost corner bounce. [*] Zantetsu damage nerfed to 2447. It is unknown if proration has changed to compensate. [*] Tsubaki doesn't slide, but doesn't chain to 2B. Supers [*] Mugen constantly drains at the 3x speed. [*] Shippuu during Mugen minimum damage nerfed. Probably missed something or got something wrong.