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But mac, you don't understand, we don't want to block blood scythe, we want to anti-air them so hard they question their life choices then start crying a little. Now tell me how the heck I can kill a cross-up with Relius' anti-airs so I can literally start ripping the happiness out of peoples souls.

I'd like to Nominate NecroTheReaper for BB, he's done quite a lot for the Relius community.

I'm actually terrabad at Tao right now. But she is the best character in the game IMO, (just about the only character with no chip on her shoulder.) If they changed her voice set back to CSE I'd even be tempted to make her my main, but I just can't bring myself to learn her in CP. Maybe time will change that. Relish Crowbar is my main. Your mix-up is shockingly great for a Haku. Somethings I'm sure you know but I'll say anyway, Yukikaze will blow up true unblockables from Relius, and 2D has a small gap in the middle where you can counter with your own 2D.

GGs mac! One day I'll learn to resist the temptation of those byotaful golden shields.

Kinda hope that'll change, but whatevs, it's lookin good so far. Can't wait for Loketest, thanks for info!

I may not be one to talk, but couldn't you just recognize you're using the one strong tool as a crutch and learn to rely on other things as well? I mean, sure, that could be a pitfall of playing a higher tier character, but once a pitfall such as that is recognized all one needs to do is work around it, which anyone possessing self control can plausibly do. I don't see that as a big enough reason to purposely seek out a low tier character to play, or to continue playing a low tier character you aren't having fun with. Also a low tier character could themselves be forced to rely too heavily on the one good thing that they have, like in the instances of Kaguras 6D~C and [2]8C being the go to tools for the overwhelming majority I've been subjected to facing. The only difference is that they don't have as many options to rely on once they do decide to look past those two as a higher tier character might. Whether a player branches out and assimilates other strategies is entirely dependent on them, not their character. =/ If playing a character with less tools pushes you to innovate and strive for greatness, then more power to ya. I can dig the whole "obtains true power in the face of extreme and constant adversity" thing. For whatever reason, the TC likes themselves some Makoto gameplay, and at the end of the day I believe that's what's going to keep them playing her.

Even I was thinking, "gawd Necro REALLY deserves this win, I'd feel guilty if I fought back." But my never say die instincts, that were molded through suffering countless Arakune curse modes and 1.0 Kokonutz, cut in and my fingers moved themselves. >_< I always believe that the skill, creativeness, and execution used in combat is a better measure of merit in sparring than points, and in all of regards you had me outstripped for that match, so I'd still count it as your win. You did pretty spectacularly if I do say so myself!

Necro, as always you are super awesome and amazing in every way like a freekin' rockstar, but we're both derpy as sin. You've definitely gotten better since we last fought, cuz I've been doing DBZ style 100X gravity training for the Dustloop V.S. G-FAQs tournament and you're still keepin up just fine. One day you should visit Michigan so we can get lag free matches fo' days. It's 5 AM I gotta be up around 12. I'm going to bed. GGs!

Counter assault is great for Relius when you want to break free. Usually you won't spend your meter on anything but a round finishing distortion, a (whatever)>236C>rapid>665B>2C>6C>41236B>5B>5C>superjump>j.B>j.C>j.236C(~optional j.214B>airdash) solo relius combo, or a counter assault. You're welcome! If you ever have any questions about Relius, and I mean ever, bring it over to the Relius forums and we'll be happy to help. (Necro and I have nothing much else to do)

Two things, can you get Ignis out okay, and can you get your opponent to block a move? If the answer to both of these things is yes then you can start pressure whenever and I'll tell you how now, if one or both are no then I'll give you some useful strategies to turn them to yeses. 6D is a god move. if your opponent blocks any ground hit or any move that leads to a ground hit, then you can use 6D to let yourself dash into 3C range and start pressure looping. 5B>6D>663C is a blockstring that can be used even from max range 5B and 3C can be jump canceled even on block. from 3C you can do (3C>jump forward +6D>falling j.C>665B>3C>jump + 6D>repeat) this is a basic relius pressure loop that can go on forever so long as you have Ignis to burn. you can even do this string without Ignis to waste time or try to get solo combos, but you have to watch for anti-airs and bait accordingly. All you have to do from there is add mix-up. In place of 665B you can do 662B 663C 66A or 66grab, and you can cancel 5B or 2B into 6A at any time. you can get rid of falling j.C once the opponent has learned to expect it for empty jump 2B/3C/6A/grab. you can replace falling j.C with falling j.B>doublejump + immediate j.C>j.2D>j.B>665B for a triple overhead. you can jump or airdash over them then use j.2D for a cross-up. also you can cancel any ground normal into 236D for an unblockable 236D+j.C set-up. Lyra is good for attacking Nu's wakeup and locking her down, however Tus has the advantage of Tanking swords for you. Remember that when it comes to [other projectile] v.s. Puppet, puppet always wins. Are you using stuff like 5B>3C>jump+6D>falling j.B>2C>6C>41236B>5B>5C>superjump>j.B>j.C>j.236C~j.214B>airdash for midscreen and 5B>3C>236C~214A>665C(one hit)> jump>j.C>j.236C~j.214B>falling j.B>2C>6C>41236B>5B>5C>4D>3C(>optional distortion) for corner? These combos are optimal and only need to be slightly changed for jab/throw/a few hits before the 5B starters.

I play Relius too! So tell me how you play, what your common troubles and pitfalls are, what your current set of combos confirms, and oki methods you use. What pressure and mix-up tricks and tactics do you know? How are you on gimmicks and stuff? What is your current perceived skill level and how good do you want to be?

Have you checked the match-up threads? they're awesome for learning things about specific match-ups and for asking questions. The experts of your character are much more likely to peruse those threads and answer your questions! Here's Jin vs Litchi: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7384-cp-jin-vs-litchi/ Currently there are no posts here but if you ask a question there I'm sure it'll be answered!

Because then we wouldn't get to fight. '_'

For 3C oki? Yeah Tus is best unblockables aside. I usually go for 3C>jump>falling j.C to catch rolls in the corner though. If they try and late/quick tech you can 3C them for another combo. if you don't have Ignis out then use the 3C oki to do 3C>5D and get Ignis out. on j.214B>airdash oki 5B or more realistically 665B is your best bet for catching rolls, and if that misses, 6D won't. Look out for DPs and you'll be fine.

I dunno bout all that, wife 41236B and 2363214C aside all Relius uses is his fists. And have you seen Gad leis? That thing is sharp enough to hook into peoples flesh and strong enough to pull a human body out of the air and make them bounce off the ground. Yeouch.

Really how they portray Taiga's moveset decides if I get this game or not. (I mean Shizuo's cool, but I wouldn't ever buy a FG for one character.)

I think the Relius Purple grab loop is still in this game, you can't do its Duo Bios reset version because Throw tech doesn't give you back air options the way it did in extend. You can adapt their tech Necro, you can have the strongest netplay tactic of them all.

And she's asking the Makoto what she can do for her. she's expecting favors in return for colluding with the Makoto, so I guess she's a "rulebreaker" too. That's my understanding of it anyway.

Well then they'll get punished that one time and learn it's not safe, but then they might also pick up how to get the opponent shaken up to the point where it is safe. :V

CDT all you gotta do is wait it out then 3C it. You can use (dash->point blank3C->jump->j.C->2C->the rest) and the momentum from the dash will cross her up and put her back in the corner if she got around you. For Ara's move I know you can dash barrier or 6D it to remove it's ground attack part (It's a really weird move) or 41236B it. you can straight up 236C it if he's facing the corner. I think this questions would be more appropriate in Ara's forum though.

I credit that to tourney nerves in general. Although if you do end up scaring a player by resetting them from full HP to zero HP you will get a lot more respect during the next round I find. That just means fear's another tool in our arsenal.

I miss Lich, he needs to drop some mad Wai-fu teachings on us other Relius players. Necro, I think you're fantastic, but I don't think newer Relius players should learn from only our examples, we need some tourney level shenanigans up in here.

That or turn our worthless DP into a unblockable set-up. If you know she's gonna do her command grab dash I don' see why not. If you can backdash it, then go for it.

Wait this is Givinguponlife we're talking about here? Gawd, he's almost made me post here too. It's his bomb Oki that gets me, how to deal.

"Rule breakers take control" is probably the new logo for Makoto players who, as a result of the nerfs, will be expected to break any rule they can and cheat at tourneys to win. It's a message of hope guyz.