NecroTheReaper

Relius always has bad issues against high mobility characters imo (Tao, Valk, Bang, etc...). Firstly, against Tao and Valk, 214C isn't as useful as you'd like it to be. Also, 214x series aren't our necessarily "best" neutral tools. Honestly, j.xD I'd say is his best tool for screen control. It covers three different angles, can pause your momentum from an airdash to disrupt AAs, its just a really good move. Also, you can catch people wanting to jump over 214C with 22C. If you use 214A to get ignis out and close to them, you could do 22C to possibly catch them in jump startup, or 4D to smack them out of bad air approaches. Its not really clunky at all once you get use to it, just don't think 214x are his only ignis moves.

The full screen combo I came up with (has a few character specific variants) was 5B>3C>6D>IAD j.B>662C>6C>214C>IAD>IAD j.B>3C>6D>airdash j.B>j.C>j.236C>j.214B Variant, replace the second IAD j.B>3C with IAD j.B>6B>sj.B>j.C>j.236C>j.214B

Myoro, since you seem to have tested it more than I have (though I've been using it a lot lately), does dash ley still get first frame invul to beat meaty setups?

Umad? Anyway, anything that's cute, nonsensical, or over-the-top i feel belongs in this series, since it is made by ark. Also, we've seen Celica coming for a while now. I remember like 6 months ago, that's the only character people were actually expecting. Lambda caught a few people off guard, I was expecting another bad guy actually instead of her. But I see people happy she's in so its all good.

I dunno, maybe. There's either ragnas that are pushovers or ragnas that IB 3C and ID every time to scare me, so I get a healthy balance. This sometimes happens even in training mode, even if I delay some stuff as.late as possible. Maybe the GG colors are bad luck? xD

It happens to me a lot, the first hit being the only one to hit. It doesn't kill my momentum since I'm still at advantage, but thats like 1k damage I keep missing out on.

Not really, but if you want a character that almost every combo works on, I'd suggest using Azrael. He's got the right type of hitbox for all OD combos to work on, the solo combos all work on him, he's great to use the 22CD combo route on, just generally an easy to abuse character.

2C>6C>41236B can be filled with delays everywhere. 41236B has issues hitting a few characters if they're too high. Ragna is a notable one. Usually the 6C>41236B can be delayed by a bit to fix these issues. Btw, I double post all the time, there's not too much activity here in the Relius forums. If you have questions or need help, don't let a double post discourage you, as long as its a real question/discovery.

Relius defense: block, IB, mash, CA, and if you're feeling lucky vinum. Occasionally you can get away with wakeup duo bios, which locks them down long enough for you to cross them up and get momentum into your favor. Don't treat led ley like a legit defense option. Its more of a gimmick or a hard call-out move, since it lasts longer than most moves you'd make wiff with it. Sometimes people will use a move that's typically gapless and safe to use as a blocmstring ender cuz of pushback/blockstun, but if you IB>ley you can possibly punish this. Things like Ragna xx>2D, Noel drive enders, etc.

That may be it... Speaking of RYO, I watched a vid of him the other day, and he's back up to 18th dan. This makes me happy.

You forgot about condition 4. 4) if you're RYO, you can do whatever you want and never get punished.

Everyone has things that don't work on IB though, not really character specific. Like ragna's ending blockstrings with 2D until you IB 2/5C and reversal/twirl out of their blockstring. Hell, sometimes IB opens up new mixup options, like if someone IBs our IAD j.A, we can land>grab for a gree green grab. And if they IB you could do 6A>early 6D>41236B for some possible j.B fatal loops. Do I talk like its nbd? Yeah. Do I do what I actually say? Pfffft, who do you think I am? xD

But his overhead is 6B. Ive never seen a tager use 6C for mixup except after already using 6B. Edit: agrees with Myoro. We don't need a 6A buff, since it gets the job done. But it wouldn't hurt to have one.

Reminder its only safe with ignis (though you should really only be doing with ignis). However, unless you're killing ignis using 2D all over the place, any blockstring into 6A will have a huge gap. And its -7. And its only gatlings are into moves that are either worse on block or easily mashable. The only reason I feel like 6A works is cuz everyone knows its a really slow and obvious overhead xD. Slowest in the game I believe? (Or at least tied with Tsubaki's). Also, don't try and use Carl's 6C as argument, its got unblockable setups that arent killed by Hakumen and Jin xD. Do I think 6A -needs- a buff? Not really, we got good pressure.

Ooh, get 'em. And man, the way it sounds, trollin with RQ's sounds like the way to do it. Though, I'm a masochist when it comes to bad connections and end up playing on the same shitstorm connection for 10 matches. HOW DO I TASTE LAG?!

Argent, I need to be grabbed out of every mixup attempt I do again sometime. Both Ara and Tager are rare MUs to get legit exp from, and from today, I know at the very least I need the Ara exp. Too many people play characters a different way, like shadow_man just charges full force from ghe first second of the round (thus getting me a lot of CH's) and jakeblaze just wreckin me outright.

Wait a second... Myoro is a real person that exists?! All this time I thought I went all Chaos;Head and made my wish for another cool Relius player a reality, but now you're telling me he's on this plane of existence?! Mind. Blown. xD Ggs to... fffffffffffuuuuuu, this always happens. I play someone, then I get two names stuck in my head and can't remember one from the other. The cool Azrael player who I had a 3 bar with, bit psn just shat all over our connection until we both were like "done". Is it effinhoog? Is that right?

Another cool idea would be to make lafino tk-able. I'm assuming the frame data is off minimum height for how + it is, so if it were tk-able, you could either fall and do 2B or IAD and do j.B>j.C. also reduce its cost back to 1500 or its startup back to 20. For how skinny and slow it is, plus its bad on wiff, it wiffs waaaaay too much for costing 1/5th of ignis

For now lets think about good things. Like imagine if 6B became jump cancellable on block? It could be used for a lot of frametrap mixup since its only -1 on block, and not a lot of people expect it. Will it add a ton to our mixup? Hell no. But its an idea. I think a cool idea would be a 623B/C input for a diagonal Leis that can be used to confirm 2C AAs, either FC or non.

I feel like it might be a bit much when 3C>632146D turns into 3C>236236D. But I mean on the defense. For how fast mixup/pressure can get in this game, I dont see how people can get these inputs out while blocking, seeing your not pressing 1 or 4 for a lot of the input.

Death be to AA 's, I have no idea how to keep him out of the air. Seems like if I try and use 4D after 214A, he can just air dash and bam, 4D wiffs. Mostly feels like the game is awfully selective about who autocorrects to who's location. Ara jumps and does a 4B right above you and his 4B autocorrects to you, but your 2C/6B/5A/ anything doesnt autocorrect to him. A good thing, punishing his reversal DD can be done with a raw 236C, so get that damage. You want 7k combos, this'll be where it happens.

Yeah... I'd probably be sent to losers immediately, then kicked out of losers. xD

Hey, they changed our reversal from 632146 to 23663214, how the hell do bang players do this?

Ggs, I think thats probably the only reason I won is if you felt out of it xD And Errol, I love you too xD how big were the pools anyway?

What could they change? Unless they remove the 2C>6C gatling, I don't see how they could really change his combos. Though removing that gatling does sound like something that Ark would stupidly do. No AA confirms, nothing into 6C, meh.