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I had a response in mind, but as someone who is NOT a Persona player, and therefore has never heard of half the names being mentioned in these posts, I feel there's something I need to ask so I can form an educated opinion on the subject. The whole Barzorx thing actually is something I heard about from friends, but only secondhand information. I'd like to ask for a more elaborate and hopefully objective take on that. You, and others so it's not just you, said that he was spreading misinformation by saying objectively untrue things (like on bursting Shadow Labrys super) but I just want to be clear, is this a dispute in playstyle philosophy between players or is there seriously some very untrue things being said and passed off as fact. Because there's a difference between "this is how I approach the game, it's not the same way that you do but it works for me" and "this widely-known statement is actually untrue because I said so" without giving any real evidence. Since I'm not fully aware of the situation I don't know if this has anything to do with it or not, but please also consider like I said in the other threads that people who give "misinformation" are not always intending to do so, and may think they're actually saying something of substance (Adachi's "amazing" DP for instance). I just want to get a clearer picture before I respond how I originally wanted to.

So I guess what we've established is that they made up for Terumi being top tier in dialogue by making him shit tier in gameplay : (

Same as ever.

I'm not a Terumi player but he has some of the most amazingly irritating quotes in the game. The way he says "DAAAAAIJOBU DESUKAAAAAA?" on his taunt is just the most grating shit lol.

I'm expecting our throw routes to be much better now, but keep in mind throw isn't exactly the ideal starter either so I doubt we'll get a full combo off it. However, maybe we can get a midscreen knockdown off throws easily with this.

Skullgirls did not invent tag team wrestling or cutting promos : U

Watching the streams now. It looks like all old routes with 2C 6C 41236B MIGHT still be applicable but you have to perform them faster. Also throw->41236B worked as a valid combo, take that as you will. Is it just me, or is unsummon a tad slower? I really can't tell.

I feel confident that I know enough about the basics of Relius that I'd be willing to help, but I'd rather collaborate with Myoro and some of the better Relius (Reli?) than myself. Anyone down to help>

That's correct, it depends entirely on your region. In TX Guilty Gear is practically a religion for example.

Relius WAS up now on the third stream http://shoryuken.com/2015/08/27/live-broadcasts-scheduled-for-upcoming-blazblue-central-fiction-location-tests/ Myoro PLS! I think I see the new corner route now...and some midscreen command throw tech. EDIT: Okay it seems like this Id Zein route still works in the corner based on the stream: Filler->236C 214C 2C j.236C 2C 6C 41236B 5B 2C/6B j.5B j.5C j.236C j.214B. However due to 2C and Gad Leis changes it looks like it's a LOT more finnicky than it is now. I saw Relius earlier skip the 2C j.236C and just go for j.5C j.236C instead. Also, please consider the ramifications of the vastly sped up crush trigger on our gameplay, and the way Active Flow works.

Between that and the change to 214D it sounds like they're trying to make raw unsummon specials more useful, or perhaps that they're trying to make unsummon and summon Relius specialize at different things. What do you all think?

What happens if you use it in the air anyway, does it get treated as an aerial throw or does it hit people on the ground normally like the current (pre-CF) 236D does?

His links are more like slightly delayed gatlings thn actual links. If it helps, you can press the next button as soon as the hitstun for the last move ends.

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201508/27086866.html Both the first and the second vid have Relius matches in them. In the first you can see the drastically different and much faster/less + Gad Leis, and that 2C 6C Gad Leis is still possible but is very weird. Also is it just me or does 4D look a bit faster/better hitbox? Well, anyway, draw your own conclusions from these vids.

To add onto this, I believe the Famitsu interview had him and Pachi say that they were treating Revelator as more of an "expansion" of Sign than a rebalance, meaning their goal was more to add onto the game than to change it like other updates do.

Wasn't it said that you can act independently out of command throw? If so, wouldn't you be able to create difficult situations, like using it to bait your opponent to mash/jump and then punish them? I just want to make sure I understand.

IIRC the Xrd lobby system has multiple "setups" at once so everyone can fight each other at the same time, doesn't it?

What about counterhit 2C? Our old route no longer works?

Maybe it's reasonable to believe that their endgame goal is for all (or at least several) assists to eventually become full on characters and make it a tag team game, but for now that kind of dream thinking is pretty irrelevant.

Well then I'm stupid

The announcer calls it Mayship II though.

Remember Terumi's whole spiel about despair? Apparently that extends to his players as well D:

So the old Id Zein route no longer works. Probably due to 2C decreased hitstun? I'm sure when Lich returns from Japan he might feel like elaborating more, hopefully. We'll see.

If altering combo routes and deleting old ones was all it take to kill a character then Hazama wouldn't have been sititng pretty in the high tiers since his debut.

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE. Have some Tweets from Lich at the closed location test I'm unsure of what exactly he means by new routes. Is 5B->6D loop gone? Corner combos changed? It's a bit vague, but it's worth discussing. If Ley is no longer burst safe it makes me wonder if they did anything else to it. Command throw being comboable makes me wonder if there's not at the very least some kind of funky reset you can do with it. All in all, please remember one thing as you read Lich's tweets. He's not speaking on his opinion of Relius being good or bad, simply saying he doesn't enjoy this version of him. It sounds like there's more changes than just new combo routes and such, maybe they retooled him in a big way? It certainly seems they did this to a handful of chars in CF, just look at Rachel losing her pumpkin. Looking forward to hearing more from Lich, hopefully he'll give Relius another shot sometime because I'd like to hear him elaborate on the changes he found undesirable.