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Damn yo, that's what I get for reading this on my phone earlier... I'm in CS mode, sorry about that.

When Tager has ball meter you want to be careful with IB > backdashing anything... but it is your safest option when he doesn't have meter. If you're magnetized in his pressure you have to either counter-assault or IB 5A/gravity depending on what he does. If all he's doing is trying to do is get you to mash, you can 214A after he uses sledge to punish the 5A reset. You can buffer it in blockstun too.

Went to CF today only for the machine to fill up D: I'm a little sad.

You're trying to describe how someone feels/reacts during a match depending on the situation... and that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. We're talking about to describe different states of the game. If you can't grasp that concept I don't know what to tell you. You're saying that there are no neutral game situations for a zoning character? Try the beginning of a match... that's a good place to start. I'm done here.

To build on this: Zoning is controlling space from a distance, which is usually used in neutral situations. Pressure is more or less someone on the defensive trying to block, while someone on the offensive trying to frame-trap/mixup/throw. They're completely different as they define two different states of the game. Controlling space during a neutral situation isn't pressure, whether you're a zoning character or not.

No one said knocking them away was bad. Her oki is pretty much non-existent, that's why her neutral game is treated more like her oki, but not for the purpose of SJ's topic. Litchi pressure is the same as Bang's, and she doesn't have a hard time getting in. Hazama is just an annoying matchup, it's not as hard as Bang / Litchi, it's just the fact that you have to play differently and some of your options are now unsafe. j.C is just like j.2C... it's very situational... you can't just stand half screen away and just IAD in like most good air > ground normals. It has it's uses, but it's by no means great.

I thought every spot this year in GG was reserved for the Japanese?

Average Damage: This is true for the most part. Most of her high damage depends where you are on the screen as well as how much meter you have. Her average damage is alright but nothing special. Giving her a 'C' here makes sense. Max Damage: True. Her high damage combos are TRULY high damage. An 'A' here makes sense. Pokes: This gets tricky. A lot of people are going to look at this catergory and interpret it the wrong way. SJ covers mixup/pressure later on, so you can't really take that into consideration here. What's he's getting at is pretty general, but it's pretty much: are her normals good? For the most part they are, since D normals are still really good. She has good zoning tools, but when it comes to fighting up close she's lacking. When it comes down to it she's a zoning character, her zoning is some of the best in the game, and it's what you you want to spend most of your time doing (if you want a better chance at winning that is). So giving her an 'A' here is understandable. I think a 'B' would suit her better though since you have to take her A/B/C normals into account even though she's a zoning character. Breaking Pressure: Yeah... it's pretty bad now. All you really have is gravity pit, which is extremely unsafe without heat. Most of the cast can lock her down easy once they get in. Her backdash is alright, but it can still get tagged by a lot of things. Her CA is good as well, but it comes at the cost of meter which is a direct impact on her damage output. If she didn't have a reversal she'd probably get a 'D' here, so a 'C' is understandable. Average. If you wanted to get really picky it could probably be a 'C-'. Mixup: Her mixup isn't amazing, let's be honest. As far as high/low she has 4B and Kure. 4B is two hits, and Kure high/low can be blocked without much effort. As far as 'respect mixup' goes with her 236A/B/C... it's not that great either. All of them can be hit or thrown out of their startup. To build on this, 4B and Kure (as well as the feint version) aren't that safe either. The fact that she has mixup is a 'C', but add on that none of them are really that safe without meter and you're pretty much giving her a 'D'. Pressure: Ends pretty fast and is unsafe to reset without opponent respect or meter. A 'D' here is understandable. Oki: Almost all (if not all) combos end with more of a knock-away rather then a knock-down. Regardless, you're still able to keep them locked down for a little bit longer in most scenarios. 2B can still punish rolls. I guess a B makes sense... but it's a low B. Air > Ground: Everything gets stuffed by most anti-airs except for j.2DD, but doesn't net you much damage if it lands (was there a Kure RC combo discovered recently? I forget). You can get a knock away most of the time atleast. I think j.2C is her next best option, but it requires the right spacing so you don't go flying over the opponent (not to mention is slow on startup/recovery and easy to block). Usually a neutral jump > j.2DD > Kure Fient > air dash is the only reliable way to use the move. Because j.2DD is her only reliable air > ground normal and the fact that it doesn't net you much (without heat?) is a good reason to give her a 'D' here. Ground > Air: She's still strong here with 6A/2D/6D making her hard to approach. Given the right circumstances she can net pretty good damage off these normals too. An 'A' here makes sense. Defense: Low health and average primers... below average. Giving a 'D' makes sense. Neutral Situations(?): Her zoning is strong making it hard to approach. An 'A' makes sense. Overall: She's better then average. Giving her a 'B' overall makes sense. I won't get into character specific matchups, but... Good - Tager/Rachel/Arakune Bad - Bang/Litchi/Hazama (Hazama might not be that bad, but that matchup is really fucking annoying) Comment on Primers: Even if SJ was to take this into account, it wouldn't change her overall score. Don't get me wrong, I do find it weird that he didn't touch on this as well, but I still think it would't boost her final grade of 'B'.

Excellent.

Add me to GGAC and MBAA please. As far as the extra prize money... I'm at a loss for what you should do with it. I WILL say that you shouldn't fly out a SF4 player at the very least (we'll be playing SSF4). Fly out a good Melty player. Or use the extra prize money for sizing up the pots and for refreshments. If you got enough bottled water so that you could give one to every player each day I'm sure you'd make a lot of players happy. That or have someone make that 'surprise' white castle run again... that was too gdlk. I was starving.

Wow... can anyone else confirm this?

Just pre-ordered. Thanks koogy. Some form of a "Advanced Tactics: Down-Back" shirt would be cool. Applies to all games, not just GG/BB. I would design one but I'm an engineer, not an artist. Edit: a "9th Place" shirt would be funny too. But I doubt most people would get the joke D:

Was any GG recorded?

Can't make it this time guys, I'm going to Boston. I'll miss you all... D:

This thread is still really good.

Make the next one 1v1 Biscuits.

Results: 1: Cobra Kai (Biscuits, Alzarath, Zidanel33t) ($73.50) 2: Tango Saqaat (Sera, Xevious, Lunaris) ($21.00) 3: DP All day (Song,Zeal,BaitConnect) ($10.50) 4: Harmony Harmony Oh Love (DaiAndOh, Braver, Butters) 5: Wannabe Cobra Kai (XAQshinor, Nerd Josh, Rook) 5: Team Guilty Gear (KKL, khanti, jigan) 7: Team HandiQuacks (Ronin, Bacurik, Falcor)

Damon ain't coming, and I think LK is going to go put Empire in their place.

Play SF4, that game's not dead.

This thread is good.

That's your own fault for not playing them. Playing the same people comes with the hobby. You couldn've just come to chill and talk shit. I think there was a family reunion or something going on too, since there were lots of kids in their pajamas running around. It would've been right up your alley.

Thanks for coming to Winter Brawl guys, especially you Biscuits, couldn't have done it without ya man.

http://www.livestream.com/st1ckbug Streaming all day today.

I see what you did there...

Eric, I'm bringing my TV, 2xAsus monitors, PS2 (GGAC/MBAA), PS3 (BB), latop for brackets and my computer for recording. You're lucky they postponed my trip BigE. Let's do this.