sehaitt Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 Sooo, apparently this is an easy matchup for Carl? I tend to get slaughtered facing a competent Tager. If I move Nirvana anywhere in front of Tager, I've had my opponent spam a jab to keep her activated and destroy her, leaving just me against Tager....which equals insta-death. If I get magnetized at all, I'm pretty much screwed since any two throws is an auto-win.
4Corners Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 I always sj backwards at the start of the match. I just leave Nirvana turned off until Tager is finally ready to walk in between Carl and Nirvana, and then I either 5c, or 6]d[, to put him in blockstun. After that, it's pretty much just wailing on his block until he messes up, and then doing the throw loop. I think it's best to stop the loop when Nirvana's just about to die, if he's not guaranteed dead on the next throw. That way, you have her regaining health without leaving you to deal with 100% tension and spark meter. Umm, aside from that, learn how to CH him out of his sledge. 5c is good at it. You can also IB some of his stuff into a free loop, especially if he tries to sledge. Don't ever panic, and don't ever stop playing really gay. If you drop your guard and Tager gets one combo, it can be baaaaaaaad times for you. Especially if Nirvana is dead. Try to avoid dashing around, ESPECIALLY when magnetized. I know that if'n I get magnetized, I tend to start walking away, letting Nirvana act as a deterrent for pursuit. He comes in, and I tend to just have Nirvana do 6]d[, then wait to confirm it. If it hits or is blocked, it's go time. Just be careful about dropping a move and getting 720'd. =( Don't abuse vivace, don't try to go vs Tager in a 1v1 unless you know your HUGE solo Carl combos, and don't try to have Nirvana beat up Tager. He will win. There's a bunch more stuff, but once you understand just how much pressure Nirvana's presence can have on this match-up, you'll prolly figure it out on your own. Oh, and learn the throw loop, if you don't know it. Seriously, it's too easy on Tager to even pretend to have an excuse.
Kyle Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 While Tager is 5A "spamming" you get: CH 5C, 623C, 8]D[, 236A, 2C, 236A, 2C, 8]D[, ClapTrap. While magnatized I like to be risky, random 3C's & Allegreto's can easily be turned into death combos. lol Of course, always show respect to SparkBolt. 632146C isn't that great in this fight, as Tager can 720 buster through it, sledge through & spark bolt through. This fight is too much bullshit. Sorry Tager. The game needs fixed. You are getting screwed.
Zoogstin Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 I feel bad fighting Tagers... until I get hit. Then I'm like "okay you need to die." I never thought about using 3C or allegreto when magnetized. Good idea.
4Corners Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 I feel bad fighting Tagers... until I get hit. Then I'm like "okay you need to die." This. After I let my defenses down and die to one pot buster, I start playing like an asshole. j2c while magnetized is too much fun.
Mikachiru Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 How do you get Ada out of Tager's jab lock? I always seem to get hit when I'm trying to use Cantabile or roll into Tager's grabs...O.o
Kyle Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 How do you get Ada out of Tager's jab lock? I always seem to get hit when I'm trying to use Cantabile or roll into Tager's grabs...O.o CounterHit 5C
4Corners Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 DAMMIT KYLE! I WANTED TO ANSWER THAT! I could have made it into a whole essay. Thanks, jerk. D:<
Zoogstin Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Kyle's only job is to make sure you're miserable. I think he's doing an excellent job.
4Corners Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 I know. First he locks my totally awesome thread, now this? maaaaaaaaaaan, I'm tattling for abuse of power.
Eshi Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 While Tager is 5A "spamming" you get: CH 5C, 623C, 8]D[, 236A, 2C, 236A, 2C, 8]D[, ClapTrap. While magnatized I like to be risky, random 3C's & Allegreto's can easily be turned into death combos. lol Of course, always show respect to SparkBolt. 632146C isn't that great in this fight, as Tager can 720 buster through it, sledge through & spark bolt through. This fight is too much bullshit. Sorry Tager. The game needs fixed. You are getting screwed.I distinctly remember that 632146C eats spark bolts. It happened during an online match last night for me. It's also worth noting that nirvana soaking spark bolt makes Tagers cry.
ZONG_one Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 I distinctly remember that 632146C eats spark bolts. It happened during an online match last night for me. It's also worth noting that nirvana soaking spark bolt makes Tagers cry. I've eaten spark bolt, thinking 632146C does. Think again. Unless it went through my start up, but it's happened to me multiple times. I may even have it in a video.
Eshi Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Guess I'll be checking when I get home today
4Corners Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Gear super eats Spark Volt, but it has to be out already. You can't reaction Spark Volt, as it is 0 frame (or so the grapevine says... I dun have time to check right now). Sooooo either have Nirvana on, or block. Don't try to do naked Gear supers unless you have enough tension to RC it immediately I lost random matches because of Tager sledging through it for some serious damage. Imma try going super aggro with Nirvana next time they have spark meter. Seems like they'd be more likely to be in an offense-oriented mindset with Spark Volt, and easier to lock down because of it. ALSO, xCammy FINALLY JOINED US! YAYAYAYAYA!
Niko Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Aside from instant-blocking, is there a reliable way to escape Tager's relentless close up pressure when magnetized? I fought a lot of Tager players tonight, and that situation caused me a lot of headache.
Kyle Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 every time Tager throws 5C or 5D, you can IB and "punish" with 2A into a big combo. After a while he will start throw trapping you. Set him up the same way and "punish" with J.A into big combo. You can not reversal back dash You can not reversal Vivace You should not reversal Gear If you attempt to "guard it out"- Your guard will be crushed The only success I've found is the IB mix-ups. Even this isn't 100% guaranteed: but it's a high stakes game for both players when Tager has the offense. We all know it's basically free when Carl has the offense.
Zoogstin Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 it's a high stakes game for both players when Tager has the offense. Truth. You can B vivace Tager's Sledge by the way.
Niko Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 You can B vivace Tager's Sledge by the way. Speaking of which, I sometimes get knocked out of Carl's roll. In the guide on this forum it says that A Vivace has full invincibility and B Vivace has head invincibility. Does that mean that all low attacks will hit me out of B version? And is it only attacks I'd have to block low, or all standing attacks that don't count as overheads?
Zoogstin Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 It means any attack that hits low enough. Doesn't matter if the move is in the air or a ground overhead. If the attack can reach Carl's feet, it's hitting him.
ShinsoBEAM Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Truth. You can B vivace Tager's Sledge by the way. So true but be careful some Tager's like to mixup with A sledge whiff 720, as a mindgame and if you B vivaced whelp, but if we did B sledge we are screwed like said earlier if tager is on the offensive its high stakes. Also don't focus to much on the if tager is jabbing the doll I can 5C for free cause decent Tagers know this, and will just jab the doll a few times then backoff. Also zoog I need to play you this weekend, I need some practice against carls that don't vivace around tager when the doll is doing the rapid punch super, .
Zoogstin Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Also zoog I need to play you this weekend, I need some practice against carls that don't vivace around tager when the doll is doing the rapid punch super, . Lol why does me not vivacing all over the place during the super appeal to you? By the way games sound good. Look out for me, this weekend.
4Corners Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Lol why does me not vivacing all over the place during the super appeal to you? By the way games sound good. Look out for me, this weekend. I think he's saying that scrub Carl players do it all day. If Shinso wants to fight a Carl that can rape the Tagerssss, he should fight meeeeeeeeee. I <3 playing this match-up, and want to get some more solo-carl practice. :D
StardustStorm Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 I think he's saying that scrub Carl players do it all day. If Shinso wants to fight a Carl that can rape the Tagerssss, he should fight meeeeeeeeee. I <3 playing this match-up, and want to get some more solo-carl practice. :D I have no idea on what you're talking about. *shifty eyes* Hm...
ShinsoBEAM Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 I might be able to play you some other time 4corners, Im still trying to not be a scrub at BB, plus zoog lives like 1 min from me so. I played like 4 matches with xCammy in ranked a few weeks ago, gahhhh I won 1 round out of 2 all 4 times. Lol why does me not vivacing all over the place during the super appeal to you? By the way games sound good. Look out for me, this weekend. No it does appeal to me, I didn't realize it at the time when I last played you, but 720 and sometimes 360 is FREEEEEEE, if you try that....as long as I don't blow the input:vbang:. Its kinda the same way that jin spamming ice car is kinda , its just please don't be dumb. That being said carl can just IAD and alleycan all day during the super and I really have no response.
ShinsoBEAM Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 Yeah, I would go as far to say that that is one of the top 3 best supers in the game. Don't know what the other two would be lol. 720 and spinny super tager supremacy..... well not really its probably FU-RIN-KA-ZAN....and maybe arakunes air super, im not sure FRKZ and this are the top 2 im fairly certain though. But still its really a good super I mean how many supers are unpunishable on block, well sorta.
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