[CS1] Rachel Info and Discussion

[kro_]

Definitely unsafe if they IB and you don't cancel to 236a. Pretty sure it's just neutral if they don't IB it though.

[God_Of_Olympus]

3C is pretty useless now except for setting down some oki, 2B can chain to 5B which will lead us to massive R tier dmg.... on another note, Rachel's wall pressure still looks really good, in CT Rachel would zone to approach the opponent, perhaps now we must zone them to the corner, also 5B 5CDC 214A 663C 236A 5CC 214B 3C 236A is a legit combo in the corner so my guess is: after doing the combo you still have nice oki so after doing the combo jump back summon a frog and wind the pumpkin toward their tech and as you land your free to do .....whatever CS Rachel can do.....once you catch them go intoa crappy j.A j.B j.C block sting to get them to the corner initiate in half decent pressure, fake out a retreat and set off your poles and after that get creative depending on whether it hit or not thing is, Rachel cant umm..."pressure" for so long w/o running out of wind so once your a bit low wind yourself away and restart your zoning, i've seen some nice stuff from the new Rachel ALSO, in the vids i see air string gimmick where the Rachel would stall the opponent in the air by spammig j.A and j.B but in the middle of it all they wind george and then when your opponent lands BAM george is right there

[Shuyin]

after doing the combo you still have nice oki so after doing the combo jump back summon a frog and wind the pumpkin toward their tech and as you land your free to do

Is that possible with George's refill meter?

[killionaire]

If I recall correctly, the frog refill meter essentially replicates a 2-second delay after the frog disappears. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Tari]

If I recall correctly, the frog refill meter essentially replicates a 2-second delay after the frog disappears.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You would be correct.

Also, I believe there's enough time after the finishing 3c 236a to pull another frog out, pending that the 3c is 3-hits and you backdash.

If it's just a 3c(1 hit)236a and no backdash, timing is probably pretty tight (though recovery from 236a might be enough delay). Not sure if it'll work or not. Probably depends a bit on how late the 5cc wallbounce happens.

I somehow doubt that'll actually 'refrog', though. They'll just tech after the 236a while you're pulling George out.

[Moogster]

http://wonli.web.fc2.com/

Go to the movie link in the left hand corner.

2nd, 4th videos of 12.27.09 has a good Rachel player. (Not winning by timeouts if anyone asks.)

[God_Of_Olympus]

You would be correct.

Also, I believe there's enough time after the finishing 3c 236a to pull another frog out, pending that the 3c is 3-hits and you backdash.

If it's just a 3c(1 hit)236a and no backdash, timing is probably pretty tight (though recovery from 236a might be enough delay). Not sure if it'll work or not. Probably depends a bit on how late the 5cc wallbounce happens.

I somehow doubt that'll actually 'refrog', though. They'll just tech after the 236a while you're pulling George out.

no you the air summon george in the air since you have faster recovery by winding yourself to the ground and the combo has a pretty long way to go after the first frog, i did see a little deley for the tech i dont know if it's enough to TK george but the pumpin is to cover you if you can chase their tech with it right you should be in a pretty good position

[kro_]

frog hits > 3c 236a > 3c iris > 3c pumpkin > tk frog + wind pumpkin wherever they tech

[God_Of_Olympus]

http://wonli.web.fc2.com/

Go to the movie link in the left hand corner.

2nd, 3rd, 4th videos of 12.27.09 has a good Rachel player. (Not winning by timeouts if anyone asks.)

i might just cry, this beautiful Q_______________Q

[GenoWhirl]

Eh, I can't watch them...

[God_Of_Olympus]

Should I upload those in youtube

yea, this Rachel is REALLY good

[God_Of_Olympus]

Eh, I can't watch them...

you have to download them, i didnt see a rachel in the 3rd vid btw, second fourth are beautiful though

To those who can't watch i'll try summing up wat i saw

j.2c still has it's uses it's not exactly a pressure tool as much as it is for setups, basicly the Rachel would j.2c 236A 3D (which would have pumpkin cover your recovery) then he dashed in to start some 5A block string ultimatell ending in 4B for an attempt at a combo

5B 5CDC 214A etc was used a lot in the corner especially the 5CC wall bounce combo since it has such a good setup

sometimes he would 3C in place, i'm not sure if he messed up on the combo or tried tech trapping to keep his opponent in the corner

236A8D looks sort of lolish but it creates a wall for a period of time, i saw this once but hey, it looks alright

The Rachel was able to keep a little pressure with her but her wall game is for sure good, it's just harder then before to get them them there

As funny as Rachel dmg is if you ca turtle right and corner them well it should add up in time

there was more but i cant remember much

[Moogster]

My fault, only at the 2nd and 4th vids are the Rachel ones.

[GenoWhirl]

I kinda think the players against Rachel A) Understimated her B) Sucked. The other is that they suck and the Rachel was SO PRO she just raped them lol

[Moogster]

I've seen that Rachel player before, I think in a certain vid when I googled the name it showed as "Eru tee" or something. I just based it on the color that he's been using.

[GenoWhirl]

does anyone know the name of the tourney or anything? I need to call it something lol

[God_Of_Olympus]

I've seen that Rachel player before, I think in a certain vid when I googled the name it showed as "Eru tee" or something. I just based it on the color that he's been using.

i do know eru is a good Rachel in CT, and yeah his opponents i think BOTH sucked and underestimated her but no doubt that was some of the best stuff i've seen from rachel yet

[GenoWhirl]

well, let's start ripping usefull stuff from the vids then, anything relatively new for our arsenal?

[Moogster]

I know Eru is good because I was actually rooting for him in SBO (lol). I can tell you that the Hazama sucked big time that's for sure.

[GenoWhirl]

An A Lobelia CH in the corner seems to combo in to 5b

[Soniti]

http://wonli.web.fc2.com/

Go to the movie link in the left hand corner.

2nd, 4th videos of 12.27.09 has a good Rachel player. (Not winning by timeouts if anyone asks.)

Those videos just made me more depressed. The Rachel's opponents were absolutely TERRIBLE... They couldn't even land a single full combo ever (aside from the final Ragna's 5b 5c 214a 214d!) and were bad at BB in general.

That said, why wasn't that in the video posting thread

edit: lol combo notation

[GenoWhirl]

when the Rachel does CH A Lobelia - 5bcdc - George - 3c (2 hits) - georger hits - cancel 3c into pumpkin - 5cc - 3c (3 hits), couldn't she have possible used the pumpkin at that point to continue the combo in some way?

[Soniti]

when the Rachel does

CH A Lobelia - 5bcdc - George - 3c (2 hits) - georger hits - cancel 3c into pumpkin - 5cc - 3c (3 hits), couldn't she have possible used the pumpkin at that point to continue the combo in some way?

Probably, but would it be worth wasting wind for a couple more hits? Especially when it prorated what, 86% in CT? I'm sure it didn't get any better in CS.

[GenoWhirl]

Every hit counts? ^^;

[Soniti]

Every hit counts? ^^;

You'd take 30-100 damage over a wind?