Tari Posted January 7, 2010 Posted January 7, 2010 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9303954 (3v3 Rachel v Bang) 7:24 Rachel winds a pumpkin forward, IBs a nail. Pumpkin does not vanish.
God_Of_Olympus Posted January 7, 2010 Posted January 7, 2010 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9303954 (3v3 Rachel v Bang) 7:24 Rachel winds a pumpkin forward, IBs a nail. Pumpkin does not vanish. So if we iB everything we can, or just something, pumpkin can be used as a reversal to a follow up combo... i like...
Kuuhaku Posted January 7, 2010 Posted January 7, 2010 I'll try messing with IB and pumpkin when I go up again on friday. Blah. It sucks playing both because I keep getting confused on Sword Iris and what Rachel can/cannot do. j2C! ... Fuck. 6B! ... fuck. But seriously 6BCH stun is wicked short. even 6B D 5A is tough to link. You're better off not using it at all. Also- I'm not sure if this has been noted, but Hazama is froggable mid-screen. Just you need to use 2B 5B.
Tari Posted January 8, 2010 Posted January 8, 2010 I'll try messing with IB and pumpkin when I go up again on friday. Let us know how that goes~. Very curious about that. Blah. It sucks playing both because I keep getting confused on Sword Iris and what Rachel can/cannot do. j2C! ... Fuck. 6B! ... fuck. But seriously 6BCH stun is wicked short. even 6B D 5A is tough to link. You're better off not using it at all. Also- I'm not sure if this has been noted, but Hazama is froggable mid-screen. Just you need to use 2B 5B. That's why I've basically stopped playing Rachel in CT. I keep trying to do combos that rely on shorter lobelia recovery and air iris, and it's hard to test anything that has j.2c in it due to its ability to cancel into normals. Hazama being mid-screen froggable was noted somewhere way back, which I suppose backs up the idea behind compiling all the notes we've made about CS Rachel into a single post somewhere.
GenoWhirl Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 I'm starting to see quite the potential in the 5cc wallbounce http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9305066 You can just keep the wallbounce -> frawgy -> act accordingly -> repeat wallbounce. It may be just me being a noob and failing to see why this is a bad tactic but for now... c:
Kuuhaku Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 It's still shit damage. But it does open up some opportunities for okii. Also, 5CC wall bounce can only rep like three times.
x3AlexSaysRawr Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 So is her new DD actually worth wasting your wind gauge on? Cause it doesn't by the looks of it.
killionaire Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 So is her new DD actually worth wasting your wind gauge on? Cause it doesn't by the looks of it. You're probably referring to outdated loketest information. There's another thread here with the list of changes on the final version.
kro_ Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Tempest isn't really useful in combos. However, it can be used like Jin's ice wave super to punish airdashes. Tempest also acts exactly the same as a 6d wind. So if there's a pumpkin already on the screen, tempest can wind it forward and combo it into the rest of the super as a decent full-screen punish. Lvl 3 and 4 tempest allow you to combo after it.
Rhannmah Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 But does Tempest Dahlia knock down or the opponent can recover before touching the ground after getting hit?
GenoWhirl Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 I think lv 3 and 4 make the oppoonent bounce reaaaaally high and they can't tech until they touch the ground
Kuuhaku Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 You can use Tempest Dahlia as a standard air combo ender. The damage is 2k-2.2kish. Don't bother if you're planning to do 3-4 wind TD because I think pumpkin and King George won't combo while they're in the air. Also, pumpkin does a bounce on hit and King George does a shock, which is why you can combo after them. I thought I posted this here, but apparently not. Pumpkin still disappears on IB as well. Be careful with a lot of information floating around. A lot of it is people intentionally trolling. You can dash sooner after B lobelia (5B CDC 236B dash 6A), meaning that B and C lobelia might actually have less recovery, but not by much. I'd still wait for the frame data though. Probably the number one thing I wish about Rachel other than her damage being overall crap is that her projectiles didn't lose to everyone else's projectiles. To be safe from pumpkin all you have to do is throw something. Same with lobelia. I can't just have rods camp under people anymore waiting for them to do something stupid.
Tari Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 You can use Tempest Dahlia as a standard air combo ender. The damage is 2k-2.2kish. Don't bother if you're planning to do 3-4 wind TD because I think pumpkin and King George won't combo while they're in the air. Also, pumpkin does a bounce on hit and King George does a shock, which is why you can combo after them. I thought I posted this here, but apparently not. Pumpkin still disappears on IB as well. Be careful with a lot of information floating around. A lot of it is people intentionally trolling. You can dash sooner after B lobelia (5B CDC 236B dash 6A), meaning that B and C lobelia might actually have less recovery, but not by much. I'd still wait for the frame data though. Probably the number one thing I wish about Rachel other than her damage being overall crap is that her projectiles didn't lose to everyone else's projectiles. To be safe from pumpkin all you have to do is throw something. Same with lobelia. I can't just have rods camp under people anymore waiting for them to do something stupid. Pumpkin disappearing on IB means that, probably, the only way it stays around is if you've hit the opponent before his/her projectile reaches you and you block. It's hard to tell in that Bang video, but the Rachel hits him with pumpkin and frog at around the same time that she blocks.
Kuuhaku Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 It could have been that the hit registered right before she was forced to block.
Tari Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 It could have been that the hit registered right before she was forced to block. But even then, you'd think the pumpkin would disappear, wouldn't you?
choysauce Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 i guess if you IB during the active frames then it won't disappear? i can't remember what happened in the vid, but did she block a nail or something? maybe its with projectiles only. who knows.
Kuuhaku Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 It does disappear on IB even while active. Tari- if it hit first, then no. But I'll watch the video again and see if I can figure out what happened.
GenoWhirl Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 well, watching the vid pumpkin hit, and then immediately after Rachel IB the nail
Kuuhaku Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Can anyone tell me why is it in all matches against Matsu, Shadow trolls hardcore?
choysauce Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Can anyone tell me why is it in all matches against Matsu, Shadow trolls hardcore? Thaaaat's rachel!
GenoWhirl Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 No one takes us seriously now, it almost makes me want to cry and give up. Almost
choysauce Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 if its any consolation, i can beat some people with rachel lol, mostly hazama players and some others like carl or lambda, bang and ragna are still tough
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