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SOrry i kinda misread that.

If i ever get that summon combo to work (i dont typically because i have a very hard time with it's input..) after the j.2Calle~can cross over i'll either 5C j.b Allegretto 8D or just j.b allegretto 8D if i'm feeling confident enough in my timing. Easier to start 2D loops after they hit the 8D. probably not as damaging but if ur dropping the trickier combos, consistent but slightly weaker is probably gonna win more matches. that's my moto.

If you're not doing this already, use the 3 from the 3C as the first 2 for 22D. My execution on this got a million times better since I started doing that. (I used to input down twice after 3C)

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i do try to do that but i get random 6/2 D/C's mixed in there. i'm kinda messy sometimes.

Ah, I see. Just keep working on it. You'll get to that point where it's easy to you eventually.

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Ok

If you going to do the carl thingy

It is open now

Any carl is good right now

Just more than 2

Otherwise we have to do it next week

And that would suck.

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If you're not doing this already, use the 3 from the 3C as the first 2 for 22D. My execution on this got a million times better since I started doing that. (I used to input down twice after 3C)

So do you 3C 52]D[ similar to an IAD? Or are you able to skip the 5? Also, do you need to activate Nirvana before the 3C or can you activate her simultaniously with the 3C?

I can do the move, but I'm not doing something right because she always ends up on the wrong side of the opponent.

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So do you 3C 52]D[ similar to an IAD? Or are you able to skip the 5? Also, do you need to activate Nirvana before the 3C or can you activate her simultaniously with the 3C?

I can do the move, but I'm not doing something right because she always ends up on the wrong side of the opponent.

You can't skip the 5 or else you'll get 2D. The input is 352]D[. If Nirvana's not active already when you have her teleport then she'll end up on the wrong side. As soon as I start the combo that leads to 3C I start holding D. I have a bad habit of holding D too much though.

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SOrry i kinda misread that.

If i ever get that summon combo to work (i dont typically because i have a very hard time with it's input..) after the j.2Calle~can cross over i'll either 5C j.b Allegretto 8D or just j.b allegretto 8D if i'm feeling confident enough in my timing. Easier to start 2D loops after they hit the 8D. probably not as damaging but if ur dropping the trickier combos, consistent but slightly weaker is probably gonna win more matches. that's my moto.

Hmm, I guess that's true lol

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Did the timing for Carl's summon combo get easier in Continuum Shift? I used to have a hard time with it in BBCT (getting it only about half the time), but in BBCS I can do it consistently. I'm pretty sure my input habits did not change.

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Well, you get generally better at things as time goes on... :v:

You probably just got used to the actual timing/input.

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hey wat can i do to improve my bnb combo CH 5b>5c>6D>vivace A>2b>3c>j.2c>J.c>2D>5c>Volante>j.2c>Allegreto>8D>5c>J.b>8D>j.2c>Allegreto

?.? i get about 4.5k wit no Oki game :[ If feels like i could do more but idk wat

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GG's to EpicGentle & Toasty Cheese.

Soo much Carl. lol

how do you feel about the level of play and a third mate?

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You can't skip the 5 or else you'll get 2D. The input is 352]D[. If Nirvana's not active already when you have her teleport then she'll end up on the wrong side. As soon as I start the combo that leads to 3C I start holding D. I have a bad habit of holding D too much though.

Thank you! Just knowing that little extra saved me all kinds of time and trouble. Getting it about 85% of the time now (would be higher but I'm still choking too often on 2P side) and encouraged me to work on my 4]D[ combo. At the very least I feel like a slightly less terrible Carl :D

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hey wat can i do to improve my bnb combo CH 5b>5c>6D>vivace A>2b>3c>j.2c>J.c>2D>5c>Volante>j.2c>Allegreto>8D>5c>J.b>8D>j.2c>Allegreto

?.? i get about 4.5k wit no Oki game :[ If feels like i could do more but idk wat

The CH isn't really necessary... I'm assumign you're already in NOC

1. instead of 2b>3C, use 5C>3C, just delay the 6D a bit if you're having troubles with that. 2B takes off hitstun proration by a lot, you're probably screwing yourself of 1 2D loop by using 2B. Also damage proration is better from 5C i think.

2. Instead of 5C volante, try to get the j2c>allecan>5C>volante down, thats more damage right there.

3. If you can get the j2c>allecan>5C down, its probably better to use j2c>allecan>5C>jB>8D or j2c>allecan>jC>jC>8D after your volante loop

4. If you get #3 down, you can probably go for 1 or 2 more 2D loops

5. End with j2c allegretto 8D for oki.

so your whole combo with all the above is something like

5B>5C>6D>vivace A>5C>3C>j2C>jC>2D>j2C>allecan>5C>volante>j2C>allecan>5C>jB>8D>j2C>jC>2d>(j2c>jc>2d maybe)>j2C>allegretto>8D>214214D if you get the 2 hit 8D

I think thats the combo i do... or at least aim to do lol.

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so your whole combo with all the above is something like

5B>5C>6D>vivace A>5C>3C>j2C>jC>2D>j2C>allecan>5C>volante>j2C>allecan>5C>jB>8D>j2C>jC>2d>(j2c>jc>2d maybe)>j2C>allegretto>8D>214214D if you get the 2 hit 8D

I think thats the combo i do... or at least aim to do lol.

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YES.

Dude, go look at a vid or something. -_-"

Maybe you just have to see what Carl can really do.

And I'm not even gonna start...

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OOOOOOk cause all of the vids iv seen the start stuff of wit 3c>j.2c>j.c>2D so i was a bit worried that id drop cause during high end gameplay i get 2b>5c>6D>5c or 2b>3c >.> so i though id drop if i didnt try & shorten it.

Cause his 4D combo drops if u try wit that starter but thx anyway

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YES.

Dude, go look at a vid or something. -_-"

Maybe you just have to see what Carl can really do.

And I'm not even gonna start...

We should play some time, im interested to see wat ur carl can do

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hey wat can i do to improve my bnb combo CH 5b>5c>6D>vivace A>2b>3c>j.2c>J.c>2D>5c>Volante>j.2c>Allegreto>8D>5c>J.b>8D>j.2c>Allegreto

?.? i get about 4.5k wit no Oki game :[ If feels like i could do more but idk wat

5B 5C 6D 236A 5C 3C j.2C 2D j.2C allecan 5C j.B 4D(second hit only) dash 5C sj.B dj.2C allegretto 8D IAD j.2C j.B 2D j.2C j.B 2D j.2C allegretto 8D

5k, 70 meter gain

Alternate: 5B 5C 6D 236A 5C 3C j.2C 2D j.2C allecan 5C volante j.2C allecan j.B j.C 8D j.2C j.C 2D j.2C j.B 2D j.2C allegretto 8D

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Think of it as inputting 4D before 5C.

In reality it's inputted slightly during the startup, but it seems like it's before.

So when you allecan after volante, turn your 214C into 214C (4]D[) 5C > j.B.

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I found success with hitting 5C as late as possible. By inputting 5C, J.B early, your making it much harder on yourselves.

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I found success with hitting 5C as late as possible. By inputting 5C, J.B early, your making it much harder on yourselves.

This.

Doing it early will cause 4D to whiff.

You may have to reverse beat j.B > j.A to save your combo if you notice you did it too early.

Or just learn the proper timing. :P

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