God_Of_Olympus Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 ok guys get ready to kill yourself http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9063229 Rachel's matches start at 11:46 Edit: damn my stupidity for looking to see if rachel was in more vids after she lost....second time being beat
Halcyone3 Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnaO0Dmg_7E 1:24 ~ CH 3c in the corner into 5b -> BBL Looked really cool. 3:06 caught my eye. Really interesting set up. Mid screen 6cd into 5b -> cdc -> frog -> 3c -> a lobelia -> cc -> whiffed a lobelia -> 3c. It all combos and sets up 2 poles for more potential damage during oki. 4:08 ASTRAL HEAT XD 6:56 back throw -> 5b -> BBL -> frog -> 3c -> 3c 7:08 Rachel GETS AH'd >_< back in that first fight with the combo at 3:06, couldnt she have done BBL for massive damage? after some ofthe reps she had 3 poles right there and she managed to knock her opponent down into frog again, she could have gone into it
zaeris Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 back in that first fight with the combo at 3:06, couldnt she have done BBL for massive damage? after some ofthe reps she had 3 poles right there and she managed to knock her opponent down into frog again, she could have gone into it Call BBL massive is an overstatement.... more bars to CA or AH is probably better..
Halcyone3 Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Call BBL massive is an overstatement.... more bars to CA or AH is probably better.. was the damage for it nerfed that badly in CS? 3 poles BBL in CT seemed massive to me, though i honestly dont have much experience with rachel yet so i may just not know of other combos with her for that or more damage off of 50 heat.
Kuuhaku Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 was the damage for it nerfed that badly in CS? 3 poles BBL in CT seemed massive to me, though i honestly dont have much experience with rachel yet so i may just not know of other combos with her for that or more damage off of 50 heat. Last time I checked, in CS three poles + her does 3.6k damage. Not exactly massive. It's more than pretty much all of her ground combos though.
killionaire Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 was the damage for it nerfed that badly in CS? 3 poles BBL in CT seemed massive to me, though i honestly dont have much experience with rachel yet so i may just not know of other combos with her for that or more damage off of 50 heat. BBL + 3 poles in CT did about twice as much damage as it does now.
zaeris Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Last time I checked, in CS three poles + her does 3.6k damage. Not exactly massive. It's more than pretty much all of her ground combos though. thats if your assuming no poration or done naked with soemone standing in your three pole.. frog has lots of poration too dropping it down by 2k easily... while its good damage comparable to rachel overall damage.... its sad overall that Bang super does the same damage in combo with poration... well rachel probabaly does less than high grade super such as bang or hakumen.
Halcyone3 Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 rly if that damage is not from mid-combo with some proration then ASW overdid it a lot more than i originally thought. I mean, it went from 7k+ damage to like a little over 3k? Even noel can do 3k now with some combos heatless, rachel having to set up the 3 poles and then do BBL next to them and hope that the enemy also just stands there and takes it and it only does that much?
choysauce Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 is her j2c, 236a, safe on block? i've been tryin to play around with a "reset combo" using her old, 2a>5b>sj.B>j.A>j.C>jc.3d>j.2c(late)>etc... or 236A on block. i dunno how useful it'd be but it could catch people by surprise, and if 236a is safe on block it gets them a decent amount closer to the corner. and do u guys think it'd be worth the 1 stock of wind to continue pressure from a succesful air combo? cuz it seems the momentum is lost once an air combo is ended. before we could keep it up cuz we kept them on the ground with ending combos with j2c.
Kuuhaku Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 rly if that damage is not from mid-combo with some proration then ASW overdid it a lot more than i originally thought. I mean, it went from 7k+ damage to like a little over 3k? Even noel can do 3k now with some combos heatless, rachel having to set up the 3 poles and then do BBL next to them and hope that the enemy also just stands there and takes it and it only does that much? There's a reason why people are joking that CS only has thirteen characters.
God_Of_Olympus Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 try not to kill yourself http://gamenyarth.blog67.fc2.com/blog-entry-4926.html?id=sm9073352http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IILzP7nyARI 4:43 (4:57 for youtube) Uate(Rachel) vs Testsu (jin) 5:12 we see 2C yet again...combos into her arial bnb and after a j2c he does A lobelia which could possibly be viable on DP-less characters 5:19 Interesting combo and setup but it sortof failed, i'm sure he could've just comboed into sword iris and made things better 6:44 winded self THROUGH a prohectile after teching, not sure if you could do in in CT but maybe we can do quick tech>4D? not sure if it's much use though http://gamenyarth.blog67.fc2.com/blog-entry-4926.html?id=sm9074009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqPLVqmJo_M 0:36 shuuta (0:35 for youtube) (ragna) vs murajin (Rachel) nothing much too note for this Rachel except some air iris mind games All in all, both Rachel's were pretty mediocore in terms of defense, not sure we can get much from these vids
God_Of_Olympus Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 here goes another http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9080142 3:30 Rachel vs Tsubaki 3:40 Rachel OTG combos with george into aother setup i'm almost positive he messed up on 3:58 combos off an anti airing lobelia 4:52 4B 5B 5CDC 236B iAD j.BC air iris land BBL a previously mentioned theory combo that did pretty respectable dmg 6:14 Lobelia gets shot back by barrier Q_Q 7:50 it was though 2B 5B would pick the opponent up too high for frog to OTG but 5B does the job 7:52 it hits them to high to 5CC wall bounce... 8:02 keeps them in corner by doing TD 8:44 tsubaki power walk this video made me kinda happy, even though it's Tsubaki, and he lost, it shows potential and growth
metsuke Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 j2c xx 236a is going to get you DP'd. Once everyone gets used to the fact that Rachel can't cancel j2c with anything but ground specials, they will be looking to punish the followup on reaction. I'm still not seeing a solid gameplan. There is really nothing stopping anyone from just jamming the stick into 1 and waiting her out. Her pressure/zoning game is absolutely full of holes, she runs out of wind quickly - and worse, actually needs it to do respectable damage, her projectile startups are so slow she actually loses to basic fireball spam from characters like Jin and Noel, and all of her overheads are reactionable. 236a is good, but not that good.
choysauce Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 is there anyone else in the game besides rachel who has a move that's punishable on hit? ridiculous lol. they should've at least made it cancelable on hit maybe, then it'd be a high risk, high reward move at the least
Spirit Juice Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 is there anyone else in the game besides rachel who has a move that's punishable on hit? ridiculous lol. they should've at least made it cancelable on hit maybe, then it'd be a high risk, high reward move at the least The A, B, and C versions of Tsubaki's 236 are punishable on hit. In any case, like what metsuke said, Rachel isn't really a threat at any point of the match. Her mix up game is atrocious, and you can just sit there holding downback and just react to 4B when you see it. Rachel isn't at any point scary, so I think just being patient is the best way of beating her easily. Don't be like that stupid Ragna in a recent video that blindly rushed at her and just ate projectiles all day.
zeech Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 There's a reason why people are joking that CS only has thirteen characters. Maybe unlimited Rachel really will be tournament legal on console
Sol.Badguy Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 You asked for it. I hope you're happy. OMG! Wow tao..when they say "repeatable" they're not joking!!!
Halcyone3 Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 There's a reason why people are joking that CS only has thirteen characters. aye had heard that 1, didnt think they were serious, now i know that was quite literal
aaaa_ Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Maybe unlimited Rachel really will be tournament legal on console lol I was actually thinking about this too Rachel may still have a faint glimmer of hope on console CS
GenoWhirl Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 lol I was actually thinking about this too Rachel may still have a faint glimmer of hope on console CS
choysauce Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Maybe unlimited Rachel really will be tournament legal on console unlimited rachel is going to be CT rachel, not CT unlimited rachel lol
GenoWhirl Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9091625 Last match Every taokaka I watch...just...;-; http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9090005 Vs Jin, Second match I think http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9090005 Vs Carl .-. Dunno what match
zeech Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 unlimited rachel is going to be CT rachel, not CT unlimited rachel lol Well, it will probably be CS Rachel with some mechanical "cheats" enabled. Actually, that's interesting. What cheats would you like CS Unlim Rachel to have? If its something similar to CT Unlim Rachel: - Frog doesnt go away unless killed. - Sword Iris makes multiple lighting bolts, not just at the poles. - More wind regen? Unlim wind?
Kuuhaku Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9091625 Last match Every taokaka I watch...just...;-; http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9090005 Vs Jin, Second match I think http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9090005 Vs Carl .-. Dunno what match Rachel would be the only character I've ever seen get Astral Finished in a tourney. Also in that match, common combo into super did like 1.8k damage.
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