Zidane Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Litchi vs Bang, maybe slight advantage for Litchi LK is the best troll on the site. Taught DacidBro and Blade. They merely represent different styles of trolling LK has passed on.
skd Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Ok, lets talk ragna. Whats makes Ragna v Lambda in lambda's favor? She doesnt seem to have it too good in this matchup to me, but i would like to hear more about it. To me, she seems like she cant do an awful lot. If she gets hit, she gets hit hard and if ragna eats a random hit, it usually doesnt hurt nearly as badly. But thats just me, someone explain >:I
Dacidbro Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 The Dacidbro mandate -Change Bang V Litchi to even or Litchi's favor -Make Rachel V Hazama even worse (some suggestions; 7.5-2.5, 8-2) -Make sure Tsubaki is universally lower than Rachel because she is a rushdown character that is forced to sacrifice oki -Bend over and kiss your own ass Then the tier list will be complete
Beautiful Death Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 (edited) Ah. So this chart was made by Dustloop? Okay, okay. Cool. Good stuff. Too good for god. Oh, nevermind. Some things that were kinda weird look fine now. Like Moo v. Tager. Still. Edited November 4, 2010 by Beautiful Death
huey253 Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 (edited) its okay its 100percent correct anyways MAKE YOUR OWN CHART OR LAUGH AT THIS ONE. EDIT: My biggest complaint isn't that bang is slightly better than litchi, its that bang is on his own tier higher than litchi if that makes sense... Edited November 4, 2010 by huey253
Asakura Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Let's just asterisk the table. BB:CS Match-Up Chart/Tier list* * = for America
eirei Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Can someone please say something stupid so I can tell him to stay free, I feel like I haven't lost my Dustloop virginity yet without that.
skd Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 its okay its 100percent correct anyways MAKE YOUR OWN CHART OR LAUGH AT THIS ONE. EDIT: My biggest complaint isn't that bang is slightly better than litchi, its that bang is on his own tier higher than litchi if that makes sense... Thats silly. Y u r so childish. Theres a point where tiers change. no matter how small the change, bang is simply beyond that point. say if litchi was at the exact end of her tier, if bang was even the slightest bit higher, he would still be of a higher tier. Numbers matter, tier doesnt in this case, the difference is so minimal anyways, WHY THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER
MyLifeIsAnRPG Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Can someone please say something stupid so I can tell him to stay free, I feel like I haven't lost my Dustloop virginity yet without that. OMG Y IS TAGER SO LOW! HIS 720 DOES 5600 DAMAGE! THAT'S LIKE HALF UR LIFE! NERF TAGER HARD! Is that suitably stupid?
jiyuna Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 [*]The Rating system has been changed. The rating is now determined by the average of all of a character's match-ups not including the mirror match. I live in Japan and this list is alright, but it's still pretty flawed. First of all, everyone here agrees Carl is above Lambda, and Tsubaki is much higher on the list than this site seems to think. Second, why wouldn't you include mirror matches in the character analysis? They are still an important part for ranking characters, because some chars have much easier mirror matches than others. You should read some more of the JP BBS and see what they're saying about the character rankings, but this is pretty good I guess.
MyLifeIsAnRPG Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 I think that's just a math issue really. Like, OK, a character can't have a really hard or easy time against itself just due to logic. If a character has a really hard time fighting against itself, then your opponent will have equally as hard of a time becuase they are playing the same character. Moreover, if a character's mirror match is easy, then your opponent is having just as easy of a time ... which kind of makes the mirror match hard again. ... AAAAGH MY BRAIN! Anyway, the only actual rating I believe you could give a mirror match is how hard or easy it is to learn said mirror match, but this doesn't really factor into the match-up chart or ranking list becuase the list assumes competency on both ends.
Alzarath Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 carl/arakune placements still don't make sense to me... no one that worked on the chart actually thinks ragna outranks either of those two.
A.X.I.S. Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 snip. mirror matches are always even except in the case of CT kune. CT kune vs CT kune: 7-3 whoever gets cursed first wins. also did I just see jiyuna say that tsubaki should be lower on the list? yes
ZONG_one Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 No axis, you just saw Jiyuna say that Tsubaki should be higher.
LunaKage Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 mirror matches are always even except in the case of CT kune. CT kune vs CT kune: 7-3 whoever gets cursed first wins. also did I just see jiyuna say that tsubaki should be lower on the list? yes He implied that Tsubaki isn't as bad as we think. I don't really see how Noel/Tsubaki is in Noel's favor, I still think its even, mainly because Tsubaki's normals beat Noel's normals, and stuff her drives %75 of the time, but once Noel starts beating on her its hard for her to recover. So it's a matter of Noel surviving long enough to get lucky and land a hit.
A.X.I.S. Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 oh snaps zong your right. whoops. I guess japan tsubaki's aren't push over american tsubaki's.
ZONG_one Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Tsubaki is actually ok vs some characters. And for the lulz I guess, having combos that actually do 5k means she could never be on Rachel's level.
jiyuna Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 *sigh* Mirror matches are NOT always even- again, if you read Japanese BBS you'd know. In Japan, difficulty of mirror match is based on how differently you need to play the character during the mirror, and whether you gain or lose your main tools. For example, as a Ragna player, I don't have to adjust my playstyle for the mirror (just space my 5b)- I actually get new tools to use specifically for the match (double berial variation, dp clashing gimmicks, etc). Because of these factors, it's generally accepted here that Ragna has a relatively easy mirror, which acts as a 6-4 matchup when it comes to character ranking. On the other hand, Arakune mirrors cause the player to play a completely different style plus he loses a lot of his options (where's your curse pressure when you're cursed yourself?). Last I read, the Japanese said he has the hardest mirror and ranked it at 3-7 in terms of character ranking, but I haven't checked recently. And then finally, a lot of chars like Bang/Tsubaki/Hakumen have relatively plain mirrors which get 5-5 in terms of character ranking. But again, I don't think US is ready to add in these factors when they're still putting out tier lists like this one. Maybe wait until BBCS2, then give it a try. Baf0 1
Beautiful Death Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 (edited) Huh wuzzat? So like, Moo v. Moo could be 6-4 in Moo's favor or some sort? Interesting. I've never heard of this before. Guess you learn something new every day. Edited November 4, 2010 by Beautiful Death
FlyingVe Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 @ Jiyuna: I'm having a little bit of trouble wrapping my head around this. I understand what your saying about some characters having easier mirror's, and that some mirrors are really one sided (such as arakune), but since both players have the same opportunities, wouldn't it still be even? I'm not saying your wrong, but could you explain how that becomes a 6-4 as opposed to a really annoying 5-5? Also, I'd like to hear the reasons why the japanese think Tsubaki might be higher. Just out of curiosity.
Rhiya Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Can someone please say something stupid so I can tell him to stay free, I feel like I haven't lost my Dustloop virginity yet without that. I think that this and Tsubaki is much higher on the list than this site seems to think is what you're looking for
Kazuki Slice Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 doesnt it just end up coming down to the player? like who is better with Ragna? like I figure if they were of the absolute same skill level, it would still be an even matchup, maybe im just missing something. Cause the way I see it, you have all the same tools at your disposal, so it would really come down to your mind games, yomi and defense etc. but meh, im a scrub.
huey253 Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Thats silly. Y u r so childish. Theres a point where tiers change. no matter how small the change, bang is simply beyond that point. say if litchi was at the exact end of her tier, if bang was even the slightest bit higher, he would still be of a higher tier. Numbers matter, tier doesnt in this case, the difference is so minimal anyways, WHY THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER chill... i was looking at the difference of tiers, and saw them being atleast 2.0 or higher, which held true for every single tier, except for bang and litchi. which is only a difference of 1.67. But, from the way the chart is determing it, it seems tiers are determined by every 2 points being a seperate tier... and it seems like most people are agreeing that litchi is about equal to bang matchup wise, which isn't reflected in this chart.
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