bbq sauce Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 Idea: if you want to see what happens live at tournaments, go to tournaments.
Mr.Biscuits Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 best moment of the stream was seeing Andy standing in back of LK... <3
Zinac Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 GG to zinac making every pool have double jeopardy in it, In the future please dont offer to run a bracket if you don't understand how to run it correctly. If you had found a mistake in the brackets you should have brought it up with me during the event. You can PM me the specific issues. All my brackets were run with Tio btw.
Mr.Biscuits Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 If you had found a mistake in the brackets you should have brought it up with me during the event. You can PM me the specific issues. All my brackets were run with Tio btw. The main issue was that the brackets were pools. Double Jeopardy fucked shit up. It should of been that the winner of the pool from winners stays in top 4 winners and the winner from the losers of that pool stays in losers top 8. Instead they played each other (again in some cases).
Ghaleon Posted October 18, 2010 Author Posted October 18, 2010 This is true that there should have been top 2 from each pool. I'm sorry I didn't talk to Zinac about that beforehand. Also in the future, if the players know some shit is not right, please ask to speak with the pool runner or the TOs before irreversible things happen. I was made aware of this by Chase himself after the first pool had been played out. Now that I think about it, I probably could have figured out a way to run normally from that point onward even with the first pool being what it was, but I didn't think of a solution at that time, so I really apologize to the players on this.
Zinac Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 The main issue was that the brackets were pools. Double Jeopardy fucked shit up. It should of been that the winner of the pool from winners stays in top 4 winners and the winner from the losers of that pool stays in losers top 8. Instead they played each other (again in some cases). Those who had any stake in it had the chance to speak up, and in the end everyone who did speak up agreed to go with this.
Mr.Biscuits Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 That's on them then. Shout outs to timid anime players not speaking up about how the tournament was ran. I would of barked at you Zinac... :3 I think those in winners really didn't give a fuck since they would of just ran it right back, but the ones in losers got screwed over. Then again it's your responsibility to make sure things are ran correctly.
10stars Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 This is true that there should have been top 2 from each pool. I'm sorry I didn't talk to Zinac about that beforehand. Also in the future, if the players know some shit is not right, please ask to speak with the pool runner or the TOs before irreversible things happen. I was made aware of this by Chase himself after the first pool had been played out. Now that I think about it, I probably could have figured out a way to run normally from that point onward even with the first pool being what it was, but I didn't think of a solution at that time, so I really apologize to the players on this. Ghaleon an endless amount of respect for you and Fugee, but I came to this community FROM the marvel community. The marvel community / capcom community does not get shafted the same way that the dustloop community does. Marn really screwed things up in sb3, and I honestly think that if that didn't happen we would have had bigger turnouts for sb4 and sb5:r. This year we were under the impression that we were getting stream time at the very LEAST like we did last year for BB. We got top8 BB last year all on stream. This year, BB showed its playerbase and brought out almost 100 players, being the SECOND biggest game at SB. Yet Marvel got almost an hour and a half of stream time in comparison to BBs 30 minutes. This community keeps getting shafted and the player base keeps shrinking for reasons like this - New players aren't introduced to the game because they aren't ever shown it, and the players in the community keep getting disrespected. If the same amount of care was shown for the game as anything else the player base would grow, undoubtedly. So what if for an hour the people that ONLY want to see super on the stream complain, imagine if things were backwards and GG/BB were pulling 400 people, and sf only had 100- and you guys got no stream time. I mean fuck dude, you guys streamed some of the most shittastic scrub matches in super, instead of only pulling the good matches up to the stream screen.
notsogos Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 solution: get a non-mong (stickbug) to run your brackets
Toasty Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 I can understand Marvel getting the stream time that it did, mainly because this is probably the last time that there will be such a tournout for MvC2 with 3 right around the corner, but I agree with 10Stars that not streaming BB can hurt the community, especially because the LK-Zidane match sounded like it was hype. Anyway, it sounded like the tournament went really well, and that the only issue being discussed (other than the GG bracket thing, but that's not my point) is the stream time. I think the DL community needs to start building up hype similar to that of other scenes. The whole EC v. WC thing was building up a bit of hype here on DL, but it kinda died down recently, probably due to lack of enough members of each coast showing up to the same event. Basically what I'm saying is that our community needs to start building up more hype both at tourneys and on the net, both to draw some attention to the games, and hopefully bring in some newcomers.
Zinac Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 I don't think fake hype is what is going to bring interest to our games.
Kamui Moon Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 yo toasty, no offense or anything, but don't talk about it if you didn't even go to the event yourself. the people that actually drove/flew in are doing infinite amounts more to hype their game than you're doing sitting at home. talk is cheap.
Toasty Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 That's not exactly what I meant. I'm basically saying that the community needs to put a little more effort into things to increase the chances of getting a spot on the stream, so our games get noticed more. For example, I think the St1ckBuG bi-weeklies are doing a great thing for the community, by only playing and streaming our games, and it has already seemed to increase in popularity since the previous event.
Toasty Posted October 18, 2010 Posted October 18, 2010 yo toasty, no offense or anything, but don't talk about it if you didn't even go to the event yourself. the people that actually drove/flew in are doing infinite amounts more to hype their game than you're doing sitting at home. talk is cheap. Trust me, I would have gone if I could. My message was more directed at those at home anyway.
Lord Knight Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 OK SO Don't yell at spooky, he doesn't run the tournies Don't yell at Ghaleon, not only did he add BB (this was just supposed to GG remember?), we were very well accommodated for on Sunday No one is ever ready for x amount of entrants for SSF4 Zinac ran the brackets the way he did because he was trying to squeeze BB in for the stream. I talked to him and he wanted to do top 8 instead, but people who lost (got 2nd) in pool 2 already peaced out I didn't like being kicked off the stream, I didn't like GG top 4 being pushed back for Marvel top 8, but this is really why we should start having our own tournies sometimes. . . BB got 97(!) entrants, pretty sure that's the biggest turnout in US CS so far.
DoomieJ Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Zoogstin got 2nd in pool 2, so thats not true, considering we ate with him at like....11 at night at canes. But the tourney was great, shoutouts incoming.
zeth07 Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Ghaleon an endless amount of respect for you and Fugee, but I came to this community FROM the marvel community. The marvel community / capcom community does not get shafted the same way that the dustloop community does. Marn really screwed things up in sb3, and I honestly think that if that didn't happen we would have had bigger turnouts for sb4 and sb5:r. This year we were under the impression that we were getting stream time at the very LEAST like we did last year for BB. We got top8 BB last year all on stream. This year, BB showed its playerbase and brought out almost 100 players, being the SECOND biggest game at SB. Yet Marvel got almost an hour and a half of stream time in comparison to BBs 30 minutes. This community keeps getting shafted and the player base keeps shrinking for reasons like this - New players aren't introduced to the game because they aren't ever shown it, and the players in the community keep getting disrespected. If the same amount of care was shown for the game as anything else the player base would grow, undoubtedly. So what if for an hour the people that ONLY want to see super on the stream complain, imagine if things were backwards and GG/BB were pulling 400 people, and sf only had 100- and you guys got no stream time. I mean fuck dude, you guys streamed some of the most shittastic scrub matches in super, instead of only pulling the good matches up to the stream screen. (quoting all of it because it is actually relevant as well). Marvel got at least 3-4 hours on the stream, it got pretty old watching that stuff for that long, waiting to actually see if something else got streamed (while doing other stuff). So for Marvel to get all that time, and for BB Grand Finals to not get streamed over SSF4 Top 32, I thought that was pretty messed up for our community. But from reading everything else and how they explained it, it's almost understandable, but still not really.
MacArthur Blunts Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Guys, shit happens. I agree that BB grand finals should have been streamed instead of top32 for SSF4. But honestly, did you expect any different from a VERY Capcom centered community? C'mon guys. Get with the program. We're from DUSTLOOP. SRK people think that we think we are god's gift to the world because we play guilty gear. it's only recently that the blazing weabloo's (keep in mind, I'm talking about the general posters for blazblue. not the actual good players) came in and started giving us a shitty name. I wish blazblue would have never existed. but they were all like "shit capcom is making a casual gamer-friendly game that is boring and easy as fuck and pretty we need to do that too or we're fucked sideways from behind." and then I was drunk.
Hellmonkey Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 and then I was drunk. we need to play more someday
Zinac Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 "This" community did have it's own tournament. It was called SE-R. I would gladly participate in throwing something similar as long as we had a venue in the Midwest. Then we could stream all the anime and poverty games we want.
faultydefense Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 "This" community did have it's own tournament. It was called SE-R. I would gladly participate in throwing something similar as long as we had a venue in the Midwest. Then we could stream all the anime and poverty games we want. make it happen where's alphakami?
doragonkoroshi Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 That's not exactly what I meant. I'm basically saying that the community needs to put a little more effort into things to increase the chances of getting a spot on the stream, so our games get noticed more. For example, I think the St1ckBuG bi-weeklies are doing a great thing for the community, by only playing and streaming our games, and it has already seemed to increase in popularity since the previous event. Conversely, Arcade Legacy has been running ranbats for basically all games anyone cares about on the same day. Said ranbats are free to enter with arcade venue fee. What has resulted is everybody enters everything, because it's free and stuff, and then they try out Guilty Gear and find out they like it, and ultimately, what we've seen recently is a lot of interest in GG coming from players of other games. Like actual interest in learning a character and stuff. I guess what I'm trying to point out is that if you invite players of other games out, and don't do anything like a tournament fee that would discourage people from trying it out, and you also show an interest in their games, you're more likely to get their attention/respect. I mean, I don't like SF4, but it's still a fighting game, and it can still be fun on some level, and there's nothing wrong with getting better at it if you have the opportunity. I find that when I shut up about how terrible BB and SF4 are and just try to enjoy the games and the company, they start to also show interest in GG. I think excluding other games and thereby their players will only result in bringing in animu fags and ostracizing people who like fighting games, but can't get past the fact that your game has an anime art style. ^Is that coherent at all? It's supposed to make sense.
GZ-Matthias Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Ya what doragonkoroshi said is 100% true. Honestly being a negative guy in general about what other people like is going to turn them away. That's just general information for your life. Though on another hand, having some exclusive stuff for these games is not a terrible idea either. I hate to say it but at this point the SSF4 community is just so large that it really overtakes things. I'm not even talking about the game, just the sheer amount of players. A major is not going to be the place to be able to showcase these games until SSF4 maybe dies down a bit. Even if you try to, you'll run into roadblocks like limited time etc. BTW I really disagree with brackets being run with "stream time" in mind. The tournament, not the live stream, should be the priority. Always.
DoomieJ Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 On the car ride home we discussed the possibility of having a tournament like that, where you just pay registration and then are entered in games. We may be doing a major like this up in pa. We just need a lot more time and long car rides to sort out the details. Good posts though. Mac,dragonkrusha!, come to nec.
doragonkoroshi Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 On the car ride home we discussed the possibility of having a tournament like that, where you just pay registration and then are entered in games. We may be doing a major like this up in pa. We just need a lot more time and long car rides to sort out the details. Good posts though. Mac,dragonkrusha!, come to nec. Don't know how you'd make a major without money involved, unless you're talking a bunch of sponsors or something, but I really think it works better with ranbats where you can expose people to games over and over through the course of a couple months. If they think they're just going to see the game once and never have to deal with it again, they may not care as much. Mac I think is down for NEC for sure, but while I would like to go, I doubt I'll be able to. I'm unemployed, and holiday time is hella busy for me. I'd love to go though and will maybe look into it. I think Frosty Faustings might be my next tournament though as it will be much cheaper for me and at a less busy time.
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