Toronto BB and GG: FIENDS ONLY Part II

[X-Sapphire]

I will remain open to the possibility that things can change because the game is still new, but I feel like Arc Sys' vision for the game has been hardwired into its code; they tried their best to ensure that things play out a certain way. And I think that's really, really bad. It's like a crappier version of GG now...so why not just play GG? So yeah, I probably quit, or something.

BB has always been a crappier version of GG.

Has anyone talked to the boss recently about new games? The last time anyone talked to him was a month ago but now it's getting more clear that we should really not get CS2.

MBAA imo.

[Roldy]

darn you people and being able to read kanji, i can read hiragana and katakana, but hardly know any kanji and i'm chinese....

I understand your pain, lol. Kanji made me get a 60 on my JP test....

[BladeOfJustice7]

I will remain open to the possibility that things can change because the game is still new, but I feel like Arc Sys' vision for the game has been hardwired into its code; they tried their best to ensure that things play out a certain way. And I think that's really, really bad. It's like a crappier version of GG now...so why not just play GG? So yeah, I probably quit, or something.

This mentality I hate. You wanna know the reason you don't quit. It's to support the scene. Think about it in a macro long term perspective, GG was and still is (less so thanks to BB) unknown to the fg community.

BB sells 4 times as much as GG did world wide. They need to make money, if they don't have that money how do you expect them to work on the next installment? Think about how much more people are aware of GG now thanks to BB, I for once am surprised at how much people are more enthusiastic to learn GG now after experiencing BB. I know GG is amazing, if I said otherwise I might as well spit in God's face. And playing GG makes you want to play BB less that is true as well, but it's up to us as consumers to support the scene and what ASW is trying to do.

They already told us not to give up on GG yet, they're working on something. But whatever it is won't come out if we stop buying/playing BB. SO stay easy, stay hungry GG will come back, but that defeatists mentality won't help. NOT buying BB won't help out GG any further. It's not like BB is the first of the new generation of filtered games; mvc3 is slower than mvc2, ssf4 is slower than sf3rdstrike, BB is slower then GG. While I can't speak for capcom and where they're headed, but ASW is well aware that they're GG franchise wasn't easy to get into. So give BB the push it needs for all of us to see Ky Kiske Guilty Gear again.

(I think just writing Ky instead of the whole GG cast didn't make me look good)

Look around all of you, and tell me to my face monitor that the Canadian animu fighter scene hasn't expanded since BB.

NOW, onwards to real issues.

I think me and unsanc need to collectively troll all the Canadian threads on dustloop. Thoughts on this, I feel it's a greater at hand.

[archling]

All of you. Get the fuck out.

[Asdferty]

Fuck BB, fuck GG, fuck MB A's and C's and A's and C's, fuck AH3, fuck SSF4, fuck HNK, fuck everything else.

This game; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6uFbAGYac

(please don't fuck this game up D:)

[X-Sapphire]

This mentality I hate. You wanna know the reason you don't quit. It's to support the scene. Think about it in a macro long term perspective, GG was and still is (less so thanks to BB) unknown to the fg community.

BB sells 4 times as much as GG did world wide. They need to make money, if they don't have that money how do you expect them to work on the next installment? Think about how much more people are aware of GG now thanks to BB, I for once am surprised at how much people are more enthusiastic to learn GG now after experiencing BB. I know GG is amazing, if I said otherwise I might as well spit in God's face. And playing GG makes you want to play BB less that is true as well, but it's up to us as consumers to support the scene and what ASW is trying to do.

They already told us not to give up on GG yet, they're working on something. But whatever it is won't come out if we stop buying/playing BB. SO stay easy, stay hungry GG will come back, but that defeatists mentality won't help. NOT buying BB won't help out GG any further. It's not like BB is the first of the new generation of filtered games; mvc3 is slower than mvc2, ssf4 is slower than sf3rdstrike, BB is slower then GG. While I can't speak for capcom and where they're headed, but ASW is well aware that they're GG franchise wasn't easy to get into. So give BB the push it needs for all of us to see Ky Kiske Guilty Gear again.

(I think just writing Ky instead of the whole GG cast didn't make me look good)

Look around all of you, and tell me to my face monitor that the Canadian animu fighter scene hasn't expanded since BB.

NOW, onwards to real issues.

I think me and unsanc need to collectively troll all the Canadian threads on dustloop. Thoughts on this, I feel it's a greater at hand.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but arcades are dying faster than the actual games. You are under the assumption that our arcade has all the money in the world to spend on buying new games. The harsh truth of reality is that gety doesn't have that kind of money, so we must be selective in choosing a new game to play. When lecturing other communities, it would help to know a thing or two about the community first.

And for the record, all the new BB players are scrubs and have not helped the competition one bit. That's right Roldy. <3

[Tofu Warrior]

*snip*

You mistake me for a grizzled GG veteran; I'm technically a new blood scrub who started with BB. I only got into GG recently; before 2008, I had never played an "anime fighter" in my life. Objectively speaking, GG is better than BB as a competitive fighter, that's an inarguable fact.

I'm not going to reward Arc Sys with my money for taking the game in a direction I don't like. I pay for and invest time in products that I enjoy. I'm also not banking on a sequel to Accent Core any time soon; buying Blazblue doesn't necessarily guarantee the development of a new GG. If their current business model is working for them, then why would they change? BB didn't magically conjure up a market for GG; I'd say between 1% and 0.01% of all the people who bought BB went on to try GG.

Edit: Also Lovegety won't have it, so my interest in the series died fast. Lovegety is getting SSF4: Arcade Edition, which is why my interest in SF4 is at an all time high.

Edited December 13, 2010 by Tofu Warrior

[K2]

naa is ok, just different taste for everyone

tofu plays cuz he liked the way things worked in bb

most of us play bb cuz we came from gg

i play cuz the game as Rachel and platinum

and the newer player came along cuz they got baited from arcsys' marketing with anime products. such as figures, soundtracks, seiyu (big hell seiyu cast), radio ( bururaji~~!), now they are going to have concert.

which they never did in gg era. yet u know wt, all of the above are in Japanese, only the Japanese will buy the goodies. that is they have targeted and gain most of their revenue from japan. ( i am just bullshiting, i donno their revenue gain from international sale for bbct and bbcs, anyway, they do have a large profit gain from selling domestic goods, is not like u north American wants a Rachel pillow)

so fighting game is just dying other then that island. Japanese doesn't care, arcsys doesn't care, cuz if u have a country to support ur company u win, and that country is one of the strongest economic station in Asia.

and u know wt, the Japanese are prob. laughing at us cuz we are so technologically behind. nane?! u Canadian can't set up T1/Fiber optic? wt?? u guys are still using IPHONE?!?!?!wt??

the biggest reason i think the bb scene is bigger b/c the game is easier to play then gg.

[BladeOfJustice7]

stuff

I don't speak in terms of arcades and what not. I speak on non arcade format of competitive play and purchases. I am obviously aware that arcades are dying. But I'm saying is support the scene.

You mistake me for a grizzled GG veteran; I'm technically a new blood scrub who started with BB. I only got into GG recently; before 2008, I had never played an "anime fighter" in my life. Objectively speaking, GG is better than BB as a competitive fighter, that's an inarguable fact.

I'm not going to reward Arc Sys with my money for taking the game in a direction I don't like. I pay for and invest time in products that I enjoy. I'm also not banking on a sequel to Accent Core any time soon; buying Blazblue doesn't necessarily guarantee the development of a new GG. If their current business model is working for them, then why would they change? BB didn't magically conjure up a market for GG; I'd say between 1% and 0.01% of all the people who bought BB went on to try GG.

I would beg to differ about the amount of people who have gone on to try GG. I've read about a lot of people who want to try try it out. And seen a handful of people come to me to ask about GG after seeing it and etc.

Edit: Also Lovegety won't have it, so my interest in the series died fast. Lovegety is getting SSF4: Arcade Edition, which is why my interest in SF4 is at an all time high.

Can't really argue with the whole issue of fiber optic cables being necessary for BBCS2 and what not. Arcade purchases I can't argue with, but dropping the game after cs2 was just released. Just doesn't sit well with me.

the biggest reason i think the bb scene is bigger b/c the game is easier to play then gg.

Not to be an ass K2. But that's obvious, there's no other reason the scene is bigger.

I have fiber optic cables in my area installed by Bell since last year

I just don't go and brag about it.

Edited December 13, 2010 by BladeOfJustice7

[K2]

now the thread is more interesting to read =w=

i am dropping bbcs cuz bbcs2 is out there

my time is there practise and win and my goal is to make american free money

i do not want to waste my time and play a old game when i know everyone plays the new one in japan.

i have done my part going to my arcade many days a week and put my money down for future games i would like to play.

if my aracde aren't doing anything to keep me as customer i will just abandon lovegety.

now if i am in japan. am i going to play bbcs and not play bbcs2? no, i will abandon the old one and play the new one.

now in canada, i am dropping the old one and play the new one. just that we don't have the new one yet.

[BladeOfJustice7]

What will happen with BBCS2 in the western world really depends on what Aksys plans on doing with regards to nesica (am I spelling it right?). Provided they can find a loop hole around such expenses then we will very yet see BBCS2 in North American arcades.

The nesica thing is stupid, since people don't like to be stratified, which is exactly what nesica is doing. Which is creating problems as stunedge put in his posts about bbcs2. CS2 in itself sounds like its a harder game, which is what GG was all about (with some broken shit). But BB didn't work well with broken shit and no one took it seriously outside of the community (Calamity Trigger). I mean if I remember correctly, although I stopped playing GG, AC was pretty balanced. yea testament/eddie/slayer/millia were/are clearly better than the rest. But doesn't mean they couldn't be defeated, haku v.s arakune in ct was just plain fucking stupid.

[Tofu Warrior]

i have done my part going to my arcade many days a week and put my money down for future games i would like to play.

if my aracde aren't doing anything to keep me as customer i will just abandon lovegety.

now if i am in japan. am i going to play bbcs and not play bbcs2? no, i will abandon the old one and play the new one.

now in canada, i am dropping the old one and play the new one. just that we don't have the new one yet.

This is exactly how I feel. I bought the BB:CT Collector's Edition for $100 because it was the only way I could get it on console on day 1. Then I bought BB:CS for an equally marked up price. I'm almost afraid to calculate how much money I've spent on CT and CS at the arcade since April 2008. Like K2 said, I've done my part in funding development for games I want to play.

Blade, I feel like you're advocating blind fanboyism. I don't like what they're doing to BB, so I'm going to stop playing. If they give me what I want, I'll come back, but I'm not going to let them milk me until that happens.

You also need to remember that the Toronto community is very different from the Montreal community. We're almost completely arcade based. If CS2 is not at the arcade, I won't play it. Edit: I hate consoles. I'll play KOF XIII because it's made with an old school arcade ethic. I'll play MvC3 because I think it'll be fun to play while drunk.

Edited December 13, 2010 by Tofu Warrior

[K2]

arcade is now a japanese nation thing

is up to them to decide how they want to expend thier product internationally.

do you think any company in north american will want to risk doing busniess wth japan for arcade development? knowing the trend for arcade is dying here? pretty sure they will focus on PC ans console.

you dont throw money down the drain, u invest in where u gain the most from it.

if nesica (am I spelling it right?) wins in japan, i doubt the world will try to keep up with japan. cuz the next thing u find out is a new version of arcade tools that builds on top of nesica or even using the freakin satailite or some phyduck power. we just can't do it.

american like to do c.mk>ultra

american like to make console tournament and do money match.

why do we need arcade?

you just can't have a company to go international for nesica when the foringe company don't invest into it.

they will invest when their is profit protenial. but there are none.

we in america should play sc2 and ssf4

indeed is very sad, bbcs2 killed bbcs and nesica killed the arcade.

lol tufu, u didn't feed the arcade enough bro, cuz u were the one with the most win steak. meaning at most u spent a couple dollar a night. bastard.

Edited December 13, 2010 by K2

[BladeOfJustice7]

How is BB going from your perspective exactly and what about it bothers you? I know you said "no broken shit is lame". Because from what I'm reading, I'm liking the direction the game is headed.

I'm well aware T.O is different from the MTL scene in fighting games. I would have to be an idiot not to realize that.

[mAc Chaos]

The reason Japan has all this fiber optic stuff and we don't isn't because we're behind technologically, it's a matter of feasibility and scope. Japan is a small island nation. It's a lot easier to hook stuff up whene everybody is right next to each other.

Now look at Canada and the US and how spread out people are and the hugely different kinds of terrain and geography and population you have to deal with.

CT's combos were much shorter... or at least, most of the characters were. Litchi still had big combos, some other characters had long combos hit wise but time wise it would go by fast.

Also I know this is probably the opposite of what most people think, but I always liked the burst system in CT better. It made bursts more significant and had a bigger impact on the match. But, CS' is fine too.

Edited December 13, 2010 by mAc Chaos

[Linear04]

Stop fucking spoiler texting i cant read that shit on my phone

also i agree with tofu in that bb doesnt necessarily mean gg, and cs2 looks mad lame because everyone has shit damage from what seeing.

besides they are milking the shit out of bb and that only leads to more stupid milking if its successful. if bb becomes more popular as a result of being less stupid and easier, what reason does arc have in wasting money to cater to od fans when they have a bilion more new ones that will give money regardless?

thrres a reason why i only spend money on the characters only. if you look at other games like tf2 and cod mw2 it isstupid how many money companies make just on dumbshit likehats. i dont want that kind of overpriced crap comin into my fgs, and im already on the fence about mvc3 because supposedly hey already talked about a super version of it. sorry foe typos touch screem keyboards.are ass

[Roldy]

And for the record, all the new BB players are free and have not helped the competition one bit. That's right Roldy. <3

Fixed

And lol Linear, why are you using your phone for internet at this time?

[Linear04]

Comps down and soing forotten thing for school. not improtant ut i just want it done.

android phones r cool. Yay for 0$ contract phones

[BladeOfJustice7]

I'm not saying everyone's damage is going to be shit. But the game just came out, there's a reason why I refrain from saying anything until like a month later.

What don't know what stuff players will discover with the cast as the game goes on. Although I enjoyed continuum shift the most.

[archling]

Wow, MK is gorey and brutal =/.

[Tofu Warrior]

lol tufu, u didn't feed the arcade enough bro, cuz u were the one with the most win steak. meaning at most u spent a couple dollar a night. bastard.

Haha, thanks K2, you're the best :razz:

I'm not saying everyone's damage is going to be shit. But the game just came out, there's a reason why I refrain from saying anything until like a month later.

What don't know what stuff players will discover with the cast as the game goes on. Although I enjoyed continuum shift the most.

In a nut shell, I don't like how they're making the game boring, shallow and too balanced. I also don't like how Arc Sys is trying to ensure the game will be played the way they want it to be played. It was immediately evident months ago that virtually no one has damage options midscreen. The loke tests confirmed this. There's nothing to discover in this regard because you can't just make options appear out of thin air; it's simply a fact, hardwired into the game's programming.

Look at Ragna for example. What does he have now? He just has mashy gatlings xx Hell's Fang. Or maybe ground string into launcher xx Belial's Edge, which throws your opponent across the screen...to the corner. Now you can do combos that do more than 1500 damage. Look at Bang. 623B doesn't wall bounce anymore, so you have 5 hit combos that wall carry and that's it. Like I said, I can't just magically change the facts of the game. If you want to do anything else midscreen, you have to have 50 heat. Look at Hazama; the sole purpose of his combos is to farm for Houtenjin so he can actually do some damage. The only thing left to discover in this game are max damage corner combos. The midscreen/neutral/push-and-pull game is more like Street Fighter, which is fine, I love Street Fighter, but I want to play BlazBlue.

It makes no sense that starters that are really hard to connect with, like Tager's CH j. D, do 3K now. The risk is the same (j. D got nerfed actually, so nevermind), but the reward is worse. That encourages turtling because offense is less rewarding, obviously. The fact that more normals are air unblockable doesn't really change much; escaping corners will still be brain dead easy for the better characters on the roster. It's hard enough as it is to press an advantage in this game with the lack of oki.

With all that being said, if they took out the tech roll system, I'd make this my main game again.

[X-Sapphire]

This is exactly how I feel. I bought the BB:CT Collector's Edition for $100 because it was the only way I could get it on console on day 1. Then I bought BB:CS for an equally marked up price. I'm almost afraid to calculate how much money I've spent on CT and CS at the arcade since April 2008. Like K2 said, I've done my part in funding development for games I want to play.

Blade, I feel like you're advocating blind fanboyism. I don't like what they're doing to BB, so I'm going to stop playing. If they give me what I want, I'll come back, but I'm not going to let them milk me until that happens.

You also need to remember that the Toronto community is very different from the Montreal community. We're almost completely arcade based. If CS2 is not at the arcade, I won't play it. Edit: I hate consoles. I'll play KOF XIII because it's made with an old school arcade ethic. I'll play MvC3 because I think it'll be fun to play while drunk.

Quoted for truth. I couldn't have said it better myself. Nobody supports the arcade scene like we do.

I'm well aware T.O is different from the MTL scene in fighting games. I would have to be an idiot not to realize that.

No you aren't aware. Because if you were, you wouldn't come in here telling us what to do.

Gety isn't getting CS2. We only play games available at gety. Put 2 and 2 together, then you understand why people don't want to invest their time in BB anymore. It's quite simple to understand.

[archling]

Maybe you all can know what it feels like to be me now with the shitty damage options. Noel, however, in CS2 does whicked damage. Top tier, baby.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Apologies if what what I said came off in the wrong way. It looked like the old gg=/=bb hate. Initially the arguement that tofu posed wasn't how I read it. And I'm not defending the game on the grounds of it should be a top priority for you guys to get it at gety.

Unless they figure some alternative to nesica. Anyways, maybe I'm too much of an optimist but I'm not really going to assess the game yet. But it does certainly seem to be going that way.

[mr.mortified]

This game; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6uFbAGYac

(please don't fuck this game up D:)

Does this mean MK9, AH3 and HnK side tournaments at T12? :D

Hopefullly aksys can localize BBCS2 again like they did with CS1 and maybe that will mean more BB for gety