Stellarcircle5 Posted May 4, 2014 Posted May 4, 2014 There is actually quite a distinct difference between the two. Seth is a vortex character, potentially the only true vortex character in the game. Linne on the other hand is a speedster/shoto hybrid with more of a well rounded toolset. It's quite likely that Seth is able to capitalize off of momentum better than Linne can, but he NEEDS that momentum to do well. The flip side of this is that once he gets momentum he can run a train on you with virtually un-reactable mixups and strong oki. Linne can rush your shit down but her mixup and momentum game are more honest and stable than that of Seth.
kazukifafner Posted May 4, 2014 Posted May 4, 2014 Oh man, is Gordeau really going to be as dominant as people say he will? I hope I'll learn to play against him. And fast  Yeah, it'll definitely be important to figure out how to fight him, but he isn't as broken dominant as people make it seem. The thing with him is that he's the only character with no bad matchups, but he basically ranks a 5.5 to 6 across the board. The only character he has a ridiculous advantage over is Chaos. That matchup is a 7 in Gordeau's favor.
caiooa Posted May 4, 2014 Posted May 4, 2014 http://www.meltybread.com/2014/04/transcendental-orchestra-to-happening-may-5th-big-one-2nd/   The news of UNIEL’s release date is exciting no doubt but there’s also a 3 on 3 tournament going on in about a week’s time. The tournament has had a long qualifying phase stretching over multiple arcades including ATHENA Niponbashi, a-cho, Mikado, and of course Big One 2nd. The tournament is to be held on May 5th with prelims starting at 3PM JST (May 4th 2AM EST, 11PM PST) and the finals starting at 7:00PM JST (6AM EST, 3PM PST). The best part? It will all be streamed! Big One 2nd traditionally streams all of their arcade content and this event is no different. The event is confirmed to be streamed on Niconico, there will likely be a restream of the event for those who cannot watch the event. If anything changes this post will be updated accordingly. (...) Official Big One 2nd stream: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E5%8D%97%E8%B6%8A%E8%B0%B7%E3%83%93%E3%83%83%E3%82%B0-%E3%81%8B%E3%82%89%E4%B8%AD%E7%B6%99 Â
LordSpectreX Posted May 4, 2014 Posted May 4, 2014 The problem I'm having with Seth is that he's basically a male Linne with less damage and unorthodox projectiles. They have about the same game plan, similar weaknesses, but Linne is just easier to do well with. Though Seth is also a character I haven't watched that many videos of, so I should totally check that channel.  Not really. Linne's thing is her pressure, which is really strong. However, she lacks almost any mixup. She has two standing overheads and they're both really poor. She relies more on getting in your face and staying there until you mess up, a bit like Taokaka. Whereas Seth relies on evasion and dodging until he can find an opportunity to go in and start his mixup and oki game. However, is pressure game is short, he relies on conditioning you to not press buttons before doing any one of his mixups. That's why when you watch good Seths, they typically go for 2AxN then either go for a mixup or try to move around baiting buttons.  They just kinda both rushdown characters with good mobility. It's kinda like saying Taokaka and Valkenhayn are the same character.
Skyheartxia Posted May 4, 2014 Posted May 4, 2014 http://www.meltybread.com/2014/04/transcendental-orchestra-to-happening-may-5th-big-one-2nd/ big one is really cool. got the nice melty cabs  Yeah, it'll definitely be important to figure out how to fight him, but he isn't as broken dominant as people make it seem. The thing with him is that he's the only character with no bad matchups, but he basically ranks a 5.5 to 6 across the board. The only character he has a ridiculous advantage over is Chaos. That matchup is a 7 in Gordeau's favor. he makes Hilda pretty sad, too.
Keo-bas Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 At first I was planing to main Hilda/Gorduea, and possibly sub Hyde/yuzu, But learning more about Chaos make him interesting character to learn,. i'm usually enjoy trying to work with low tier or underwhelming characters. Only reason  did int consider him first was due to learning curve of puppeteer/support character but his seem different enough for me to try.  I kind of get a ramal valalentine feel but bit more restrictive but considering how ground footsie the game is. I am ok with that.
Sadeyo Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 Sion in a tier of her own, that made my day. I will admit I never saw Merkava or Waldstein making it to S tier. It just means I have to pay attention to those characters a little bit more when they're on YouTube. Still, it's difficult to picture Hilda on the bottom of the tier list, just no love for villains anymore (she is evil?). I'm too hyped for my own good since the announcement I just sit down for almost an hour or two a day figuring out the mechanics all over again. Sad there's not enough Eltnum players out there, hard to come by her videos. I don't recall her learning curve ever being difficult.
argilium Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 dat list is just plain weird and probably too personal.. after finding out that it's by Destrade, i think it's more of a vs Gordeau matchup tier list.. i mean look at it.. Gordeau happened to be one of Hilda's bad matchups so she just got put in the bottom below Chaos and Akatsuki even though she's miles better than the other two.. and Eltnum on a tier of her own screams of something personal against that character when those below her can be said to be her level.. Â i'd still believe on the tier list in the jbbs even though it doesn't get updated much anymore.. http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/game/53115/1385027746/
kazukifafner Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 Sion in a tier of her own, that made my day. I will admit I never saw Merkava or Waldstein making it to S tier. It just means I have to pay attention to those characters a little bit more when they're on YouTube. Still, it's difficult to picture Hilda on the bottom of the tier list, just no love for villains anymore (she is evil?). I'm too hyped for my own good since the announcement I just sit down for almost an hour or two a day figuring out the mechanics all over again. Sad there's not enough Eltnum players out there, hard to come by her videos. I don't recall her learning curve ever being difficult. Â Fuse Master makes Waldy look broken, lol
TAI-X Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 I see Hilda as a glass cannon type of character that has to be played very aggressively, similar to SFIV's Seth. They're both boss characters that received heavy nerfs to damage and HP for their playable versions, while retaining all the powerful functionality of their movesets. If Hilda can keep the other player locked down with pressure and combos it's all good, but give them the advantage just once or twice and it's all over.
Keo-bas Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 I see Hilda as a glass cannon type of character that has to be played very aggressively, similar to SFIV's Seth. They're both boss characters that received heavy nerfs to damage and HP for their playable versions, while retaining all the powerful functionality of their movesets. If Hilda can keep the other player locked down with pressure and combos it's all good, but give them the advantage just once or twice and it's all over. Hilda anything but glass cannon. You have to be well rounded to be glass cannon and hilda isn't or if she is than its easy to disrespect her stuff. Up close hilda is at an dist advantage and too far away she ins't intimidating. Her ideal game play is middle range which mean she's a footsie hybrid character like C.Viper.  .  hilda pressuring? what good is hilda pressuing when opponent have little to fear from her pressure. she isn't mixing people up with high and low because her lows but out of her comfort zone and throw is just too risky for her.  Also with sheild/ex shield to consider. she has to be careful of pressuring as those tools mess up her pretty bad.  Not to say Hilda shouldn't pressuring if call for but pressuring isn't free like GGAC or SF4.  Hilda is pretty much i-no in UNIB EXE. Their tools is design to outwit their opponent not overwhelmed them like Carmine/ Order Sol.  Carmine is that Sf4 Seth your talking about. and maybe even seth to lesser extend.
Skyheartxia Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 Hilda is pretty much i-no in UNIB EXE. what ...i don't... what?
Keo-bas Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 let me take back that poor character comparison but Hilda still look like footsie character as good blocking ruins her game and forces her to take risk.Â
kazukifafner Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 Hilda does better when she can take life advantage early. Any time she's in a position where her opponent is forced to act is a situation in her favor.
Jocelot Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 All that matters is Merkava. For the briefest of moments I thought Akatsuki looked kinda interesting to try, but something tells me it'll be more rewarding to stick with Death Chicken long term. I promise everyone here I will be the most fraudulent Merk player to grace this forum.
Akujikan Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 [...] something tells me it'll be more rewarding to stick with Death Chicken long term. Â This made my night.
Stellarcircle5 Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 All that matters is Merkava. For the briefest of moments I thought Akatsuki looked kinda interesting to try, but something tells me it'll be more rewarding to stick with Death Chicken long term. I promise everyone here I will be the most fraudulent Merk player to grace this forum. Fridays will devolve into your Death Chicken vs my ass tier vortex character. It will be glorious.
NecroTheReaper Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 You know, reading that made me curious. I know there's tiers in play here, but how close together are the tiers? Is it fairly well balanced or do S tiers steamroll everyone lower?
Stellarcircle5 Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 You know, reading that made me curious. I know there's tiers in play here, but how close together are the tiers? Is it fairly well balanced or do S tiers steamroll everyone lower? Basically everyone who isn't Akatsuki or Chaos is viable for the most part. Gordeau, Waldstein and Merkava sit in top 3 while everybody else is more or less mid. Gordeau is apparently brain dead easy though. It reminds me a lot of the BBCS:EX tier list. 3 really powerful characters, a crapload of mid tiers, and 2 low tiers.
Kairos Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Hilda anything but glass cannon. You have to be well rounded to be glass cannon and hilda isn't or if she is than its easy to disrespect her stuff. Up close hilda is at an dist advantage and too far away she ins't intimidating. Her ideal game play is middle range which mean she's a footsie hybrid character like C.Viper.  .  hilda pressuring? what good is hilda pressuing when opponent have little to fear from her pressure. she isn't mixing people up with high and low because her lows but out of her comfort zone and throw is just too risky for her.  Also with sheild/ex shield to consider. she has to be careful of pressuring as those tools mess up her pretty bad.   There's a lot wrong with this post, but I'm just going to focus on these two parts.  First saying a glass cannon is well rounding is contradictory. A glass canon has high attack and offensive tools, but low health and, typically, bad defensive tools. On top of that, Hilda's tools are designed for mid to long range,. She's a zoner and her tools are all about frame trapping and pressure. A good example can be seen here. Notice how she uses her tools from full screen, to get to mid screen where she starts putting them in block strings/pressure, and moves in close or with some tricky movements to get hits/counters. Not to mention she uses her full screen and mid screen tools to set up frame traps as well. You have to respect Hilda. She's solid but she's not great. You have to respect her tools as much as you would any zoning/poking character.  Also the I-No and Viper comparisons are very absurd as they are both in your face characters.Â
Hecatom Posted May 6, 2014 Author Posted May 6, 2014 Keo stahp I thought that you already outgrow the phase of making a fool of yourself by talking of stuff you dont know very well
Keo-bas Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Well i made an ass of my self. Disregard my post. Even I wast fully sure if my character comparison was right (glade to know better now). But as for Hilda needed to pressure still doesn't seem right. Not say hilda should never pressure but don't seem like her core gameplay. Â If it is than than has some glaring holes that can be exploited it seems.
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