StarGazer Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 lady underboobs combos http://www23.atwiki.jp/makotonanaya/pages/66.html Already looked at it, I don't think the way they did it will be suitable for new players. The whole forum should aiming to help the new ppl right? Please ppl help me find a good layout for the thread what about csex matchup threads? Hmmm... I've been thinking about it, I dont like the way the match up threads is taking. Instead of forcing a way to play in the match up, lets try just to gather all the vital informations, eg: Mu 6B go over your 2A, IB Hakumen's 6B opens your way to a free punish with 665A etc... and make it open for free discussion. ================================= The rest of this post is gonna be a stupid talk about tiers you have been warned. What the latest japanese tier list say: S: Ragna, Valkenhayn, Hakumen A: Hazama, Taokaka, Bang, Carl, Arakune B+: Relius, Mu, Platinum, Lambda B: Noel, Rachel, Litchi, Jin, Tager C: Tsubaki, Makoto What the jbbs Players say: She have no good match ups, only decent at her best match ups with Tsubaki, Litchi, Noel, Jin. And have a real disadvantage with a big bunch of characters: Mu, Lambda, Ragna, Valkenhayn, Carl, Tager, Hazama, Hakumen, Taokaka. the rest counts as a bad match up for her but nothing to be scared from. Makoto is not hopeless, but she is just outclassed. Why Ragna is bad for her? Simply, he is just a better version of Makoto. Why Platnium isn't good for Makoto? The buff of Platinum's j.C and 5B was just what Platinum needed to beat Makoto. What about Relius? He looks kinda bad for Makoto, but with 5A fuzzy and Relius specific Combos it will be hopefully a fair match up. What do I say?: I dont have the game yet ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) With that said you must remember - that you need to play at a Japanese level for the list to work, I know 99% of Makoto players here doesn't use the Orb oki, PF Combos, neither exploting her Good mix ups, they shouldin't be afraid of anything then xD, unless they are used to faceroll every blockstring into 2C into easy 5K combo or eclipse turn as the only mix up she have... they better pack their bags from now. - while the nerfs might looks a lot, Makoto still retain a lot of things, she was never running like a mad landing 2A easily and confirm it into 4K, her juggles didn't dish out 4K too, it was a mere 2500, 2C and 236AD were leading to 4~5K and they still do in EX. if you did good in CS2, you will still do good in EX don't worry - If you are leaving Makoto in CSEX then you are a tier whore, If you have just started playing Makoto in CSEX then you are a low tier whore. which is okay to be, I just don't want to see everybody leaving his beloved character for a mere tier.
Bibiquadium Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) Let's just say that to win your matches, you really gotta give you 99.9% The thing that shouldn't have changed overall is the ability to do 5B 5CC 6B(2B) C and the 6B force crouch. Especially when most of your potential midscreen combos startups have a Star Gazer in it. Also, an *optimal* combo if you hit confirm a j.C near a wall : j.C 5CC 5D 2D 2C 236A 5D 5CC j.B j.D 66 5CC j.CB j.CC DP (4616 DMG) j.C 5CC 5D 2D 2C 236A 5D 5CC j.B j.D 66 5CC j.B j.D 66 PF (5467 DMG) Edited January 4, 2012 by Bibiquadium
StarGazer Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Force crouch maybe because 5CC 6B is no more. But 5CC 6B link is good like this.
mAc Chaos Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) S Tier Hakumen what the fuck also IBing 6B doesnt get you a free punish, he can still gatling into counter mind games Edited January 4, 2012 by mAc Chaos
StarGazer Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Didn't notice the gatling. Thx a lot *kiss* But I swear every 6B IB against my friend's haku was a free counter. He is really good so I didn't thought he will miss this
mAc Chaos Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) Hmm, I'll test it out. Yup, you can get the counter out in time. Edited January 4, 2012 by mAc Chaos
OmniSScythe Posted January 4, 2012 Author Posted January 4, 2012 What the jbbs Players say: She have no good match ups, only decent at her best match ups with Tsubaki, Litchi, Noel, Jin. I'm okay with this, either way I haven't let a mere grouping of words dictate who I play and this won't be a first. S Tier Hakumen what the fuck Accept it!
Bibiquadium Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 I'm okay with this, either way I haven't let a mere grouping of words dictate who I play and this won't be a first. (random text here because there's nothing else that has to be said)
StarGazer Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 In the end. The real winner is the one with the highest swag points.
HIGEKING42 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 They don't use ball oki because overhead is so slow and if blocked it will be a waste of a move in the corner. Also they can mash once it's gone. That's why i was asking how much of a frame advantage does orb oki have.
javi Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 The real reason they don't use 6b -> orb oki ender is because any reversal will beat it clean on reaction (counter hit too).
Crosell Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 The real reason they don't use 6b -> orb oki ender is because any reversal will beat it clean on reaction (counter hit too). also a delayed roll tech will get them out of the corner for free.
StarGazer Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Comet have now more recovery so maybe its 5+ on block now instead of 10+, and with the lose of Lightning Arrow knockdown Makoto Oki will never be the same. People with EX Copy, 5B have now more Recovery? come on I really need to know this
HIGEKING42 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 What i just said about them mashing a button was tyhe reversal i was talking about.
Crosell Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 i havent noticed a longer recovery. if there is one its small.
StarGazer Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Quick and cool matches for MGN's Makoto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMZbaOVHphU&t=3m6s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjT4sCsyEJI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERMOswJjoyg&t=6m46s Loved it<3
OmniSScythe Posted January 6, 2012 Author Posted January 6, 2012 ^ This. I wish he frame trap RC 5B'd after star gazer but getting burst baited probably got to him.
SolAscension Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 This set is just full of Goro shenanigans~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp1sqzoXW9Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84aSbvWG-CY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOong3DxTiM Keita has a round in there also, but looks like his other matches weren't shown.
milesw Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 This set is just full of Goro shenanigans~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp1sqzoXW9Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84aSbvWG-CY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOong3DxTiM Keita has a round in there also, but looks like his other matches weren't shown. hnijkbhuj buhjwhc hbc fk Goro! Every single match with Goro was sick ryouma vs satsuno was sweet too. BEST GAME OUT
OmniSScythe Posted January 7, 2012 Author Posted January 7, 2012 After that Tager match I'm pretty sure everyone knows how he got his highest damage in a match now. lol
StarGazer Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) My god the hype, first time I get this hyped over a video (watch it on nico for better FPS) Come on Goro won Tachikawa using the weakest character in the game, where is the hype Thats it am gonna make my Makoto cheering group. Also yeah, if Akira falls to that Combo > Purple Throw > PF then its legit. Edit: Ragna 2B Oki is unbeatable even with PF wavedash. Edited January 7, 2012 by StarGazer
StarGazer Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Is it a good idea to start the Combo thread despite the lack of knowledge in some stuff?
Bibiquadium Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 We can still start it now and make it grow eventually
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