harmless kitten Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) Ragna is weak to the tears of women and children. In CT, he says that her eyes freaked him out. Something about her being innocent. Somewhat offtopic, I hated that scene in Extend because the localization thought it'd be a great idea to inject even more dumbass memes into the game. @Alpha to Omega: "A number of NOL soldiers have already tried to subdue him, and...well...doctors say they'll all live, but they won't be winning any beauty pageants." He could be lying his ass off, but I read this as specifically Akitsu soldiers trying to stop Ragna, and Ragna just left them crippled or heavily wounded, but didn't kill them. No idea on the other bases, but considering it's only until after Akitsu that Ragna becomes truly notable, I don't think that he killed many people--if any--at previous bases. Edited January 17, 2013 by harmless kitten
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 That's what I like about this story, despite Ragna being the protagonist and primary viewpoint character, the story has a vast quantity of plotlines going all connected to each other in some way. That's pretty damn amazing considering it's a fighting game. But yeah, Ragna's a nice guy at heart when the world isn't trying to screw him over, but I never understood his "murdering" it's mostly in the background and seems to only be brought up in regards to Ragna's reputation.
mAc Chaos Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Ragna is weak to the tears of women and children. In CT, he says that her eyes freaked him out. Something about her being innocent. Didn't it say in the description of his murdering spree that he cut down man and woman alike, maybe even children too.
harmless kitten Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Yes, it does say he murdered women too. He slaughtered everyone in his path, including the people trying to escape. Obviously, they didn't cry. Mind you, I'm mostly joking.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Yes, it does say he murdered women too. He slaughtered everyone in his path, including the people trying to escape. Obviously, they didn't cry. Mind you, I'm mostly joking. The bastard. I'm pretty sure Ragna felt bad about it, I mean when he kills Nu in her ending, he seems really remorseful.
harmless kitten Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 He might've, or he might have just justified it as "they were Library soldiers and the Library has to die." Nu is a different case. Ragna has some abstract pity and sympathy for her, especially with regards to her fate, her origin, and just who she's created from, but she also really disturbs him. It seemed like he totally flipped out on her the first time he discovered her body. That's why he tries to dehumanize her and insists on destroying instead of killing; if he does, then he can pretend that he's not killing a real person who is actually a clone of his little sister.
Zangelin Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Yknow i hardly think you get the title "Shinigami"/"Grim Reaper" without a bodycount.
Alpha to Omega Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) Didn't it say in the description of his murdering spree that he cut down man and woman alike, maybe even children too. He killed men and women. There was not a single mention of any children anywhere in that part of the story. I'm pretty sure Ragna felt bad about it, I mean when he kills Nu in her ending, he seems really remorseful. I doubt he was that remorseful considering the story says he no longer even considers the NOL soldiers he's killing human. @Alpha to Omega: "A number of NOL soldiers have already tried to subdue him, and...well...doctors say they'll all live, but they won't be winning any beauty pageants." He could be lying his ass off, but I read this as specifically Akitsu soldiers trying to stop Ragna, and Ragna just left them crippled or heavily wounded, but didn't kill them. No idea on the other bases, but considering it's only until after Akitsu that Ragna becomes truly notable, I don't think that he killed many people--if any--at previous bases. I read that as the soldiers attempting to subdue after his attacks, not the soldiers who were actually at the NOL Branch he destroyed. Edited January 17, 2013 by Alpha to Omega
Hecatom Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Didn't it say in the description of his murdering spree that he cut down man and woman alike, maybe even children too. It says that he killed every NOL member at the facilities, Men or Women
Orihalcon Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Did anybody even stop for a moment to think that the description is very likely either A) embellished or B) something like GG where the descriptions are all NOL descriptions like the PWAB ones in GG. Dear God do people just not use their brains on DL or what. I think we can all safely agree that yes, he did kill a lot of librarium people, and there were probably younger members and/or women among them. He wouldn't randomly kill innocent people, it's completely against what's been established, and he's legitimately one of the actually nice characters in a world of mostly asshole people.
TPPR10 Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Yeah, what Orihalcon said. In war-like situation, Ragna might be more brutal than normally, willing to take down women and children if he comes across. Otherwise, he prefers not to fight against them. Sure, he doesn't hold back of he has to, but because he rather not get his ass kick for going easy on them, and atleast feels sorry for doing that.
harmless kitten Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 No need to be so aggressive. The story mostly uses Ragna's point of view, so it's not like it's NOL propaganda. The short story describes it as a massacre and directly says that Ragna shows no mercy. Not that Ragna cares anyway, as it's mentioned he doesn't even see them as human anymore. If pressed, Ragna would justify it as a part of bringing down the NOL and that the guards were in his way (even though he also killed escaping ones). The only strange part is why he interfered in the fight between Noel and Nu, as he very easily could've waited if he hates the Library that much, but you could always make something up for that. He wasn't as pissed at the time, doesn't want to see Nu kill a girl, her blue uniform didn't really register in his mind, etc. Personally, I find it interesting that Ragna is acknowledged to be ruthless when he gets that mad and a murderer, which isn't often touched upon in games that feature humans as enemies even as you cut down huge swathes of them. Even if it's in only one story and is never brought up again. @Alpha to Omega: That's true, you can read it like that. I think it can go either way.
Orihalcon Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Considering the fact that the story's portrayal of Ragna pretty much goes against how he is portrayed and established in every other medium, it's highly likely that it's either A) not canon or B) a different timeline or C) how they wanted to portray Ragna originally but they changed their minds and forgot about it because it's an obscure short story that most people don't even know about or D) embellishment to Hell and back.
Zangelin Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Considering the fact that the story's portrayal of Ragna pretty much goes against how he is portrayed and established in every other medium, it's highly likely that it's either A) not canon or B) a different timeline or C) how they wanted to portray Ragna originally but they changed their minds and forgot about it because it's an obscure short story that most people don't even know about or D) embellishment to Hell and back. Only NOL people he really encounters though are Hazama (Which he wants to kill either way), Noel (which looks like his sister) And Jin (Niii-san~) So theres nothing really in the story saying that he WOULDNT slaughter NOL personel.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 It's probably just propaganda by the NOL to justify his bounty, I mean we all know Ragna has a bad attitude and a tendency to run at the mouth, but like Ori said, it just doesn't match up with his actual portrayal who only beats down people who piss him off, and even then is willing to spare them, the only exception being Terumi. The whole "Slaughter innocent people" thing is mentioned only in passing and doesn't seem to add much.
Wild Candy Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Ragna kills people, but he does so out survival instead of blood lust. The main reason he's going after the NOL is because of Terumi. Terumi took everything away from him, and now he has strong footing in the world government ( not to mention that Terumi is a psycho son-of-a-bitch) Kinda makes the NOL Ragna's enemy. It's also been established that not a whole lot of people are fond of the NOL, but don't dare to rebel because of their power. In a way, it brings to mind The Hunger Games and how Katniss started a rebellion against pitting kids in a fight to the death. Ragna is rebelling against a government that oppresses people, and is run by a sadistic killer, and his possibly brain-washed sister. Either way, some of Ragna's reasons are justifiable.
Master Of Chaos Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 I can't remember my source, but I remember reading somewhere that Jubei told Ragna that the cauldrons at the NOL could potentially form another Black Beast, and that's the reason he goes after them....Aside from trying to find Termui, I guess. And I doubt that the NOL oppressing people has anything to do with Ragna's attacks. He doesn't seem to give a damn about what they do to the people. Of course, I could just be remembering wrong about all of this. I'll just go sit in the corner now.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 I can't remember my source, but I remember reading somewhere that Jubei told Ragna that the cauldrons at the NOL could potentially form another Black Beast, and that's the reason he goes after them....Aside from trying to find Termui, I guess. And I doubt that the NOL oppressing people has anything to do with Ragna's attacks. He doesn't seem to give a damn about what they do to the people. Of course, I could just be remembering wrong about all of this. I'll just go sit in the corner now. I remember them somewhere specifically talking about how Ragna is after the Cauldrons, so that's probably the case. No idea how Ragna learned of them though. I mean in CT he makes a beeline for the Cauldron in story mode right off the bat. (When he's not sailing around on the SS Ragna)
Tokkan Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Usually in BlazBlue the arcade story is parallel to the official story mode...but if that's the case, I hope they never put Litchi in the story. Her arcade arc irritates me to tears. What? You mean how Rachel gave her the harshest scolding she's ever given anyone? And then in the last few seconds Litchi tries to say something but it's fragmented in the same way Arakune's speech was in CT and CS? I can see how that can piss off any Litchi fan.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 I can see how that can piss off any Litchi fan. The Hazama inside of me can only see this as good news. *anti-litchi picket sign*
Master Of Chaos Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 The Hazama inside of me can only see this as good news. *anti-litchi picket sign* You monster. *Pro-Litchi picket sign*
NovaFortuna Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 It's probably just propaganda by the NOL to justify his bounty, I mean we all know Ragna has a bad attitude and a tendency to run at the mouth, but like Ori said, it just doesn't match up with his actual portrayal who only beats down people who piss him off, and even then is willing to spare them, the only exception being Terumi. The whole "Slaughter innocent people" thing is mentioned only in passing and doesn't seem to add much. Remember Ragna's killing sprees were retconned in Calamity Trigger Reconstruction, now he just destroys everything and beat people up but avoids killing. My two cents about Rags...He is not an idiot at all, but his habit of tackling at things without thinking or being so easily provoked can come as being a fool. He does have his reasons to be pissed off at everything and his allies do lack communication skills, but to be honest even if their reasons are vague, if people is telling you to not do something is for a reason and you should try consider it. Ragna usually skips that part, so he does have a bit of fault in that as well. My own issue with him is that his foul mouthed, decided anti hero has become a bit tired, at least for me. There are a few times when he stops his usual speech pattern ("shut up, you bastard" "*swearing*" "I decide my fate!!") and really comes as awesome, namely his last words to Jin in his CS story and his pre battle dialogue with Mu. I think if he can develop into the guy he is in the novels it would be the best scenario, start putting the rage behind, looking up and everything a bit more. Just my thoughts, though.
Alpha to Omega Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) Remember Ragna's killing sprees were retconned in Calamity Trigger Reconstruction, now he just destroys everything and beat people up but avoids killing. There's only one ambiguous statement from Hazama even implying a retcon and it's from the english translation which was rushed and full of errors in Extend. I'm not certain it was retconned. Edited January 17, 2013 by Alpha to Omega
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Remember Ragna's killing sprees were retconned in Calamity Trigger Reconstruction, now he just destroys everything and beat people up but avoids killing. My two cents about Rags...He is not an idiot at all, but his habit of tackling at things without thinking or being so easily provoked can come as being a fool. He does have his reasons to be pissed off at everything and his allies do lack communication skills, but to be honest even if their reasons are vague, if people is telling you to not do something is for a reason and you should try consider it. Ragna usually skips that part, so he does have a bit of fault in that as well. My own issue with him is that his foul mouthed, decided anti hero has become a bit tired, at least for me. There are a few times when he stops his usual speech pattern ("shut up, you bastard" "*swearing*" "I decide my fate!!") and really comes as awesome, namely his last words to Jin in his CS story and his pre battle dialogue with Mu. I think if he can develop into the guy he is in the novels it would be the best scenario, start putting the rage behind, looking up and everything a bit more. Just my thoughts, though. You mean calm down and actually channel his rage properly? I can get down with that. He seems to have mellowed somewhat in CP as he's noticeably calmer when dealing with Hakumen and Tsubaki, it's only when Hazama shows up when he flips his shit.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 it's only when Hazama shows up when he flips his shit. He has that effect on people.
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