[CP1.1] Makoto Nanaya's Gameplay Discussion - When's 2.0?

[TagerTime]

Tager has something that other grappler's would find useful; MAGNETISM.

 

Unfortunately Tagers magnetism is so poorly implemented that it is very limited in its usefullness.

[Teutonicknight]

Our drive is not much more useful. It's just an extra attack that can actually backfire. Plus, Makoto's got literally no unique strengths now, Tager does.

[Goldchampion200]

Lies.

 

EDIT: Why the hell cant I quote. Im talking about what mAc said btw......

[Kcin]

Lies.

EDIT: Why the hell cant I quote. Im talking about what mAc said btw......

On the mobile site? Touch somewhere in the post you want to quote and it should expand and show a quote button.

[Verimeloni]

As a new Makoto player I've been eating her challenges for breakfast, until 29. That F tk'd aerial Corona is driving me crazy. It's even worse than tk'd aerial Blood Scythe.

[OmnixTSC]

Besides, being bottom is a grappler's chronic weakness in almost every game just by the way they play

 

I'm glad you said almost.  Otherwise, most iterations of Potemkin and Waldstein in UNIEL would have wanted to sit you down and have a nice, long chat.

 

Makoto's drive is more like a compliment to what she has (or had, anyways) more than it is her main focus, which I think is okay. What you do use it for is fine, it's just you can't apply it to very many situations outside of situational setups and combos. The rest of her moveset covers the other situations for her if you can utilize those tools properly. It's just rather hard to effectively use her tools without being a strong player with good fundamentals.

[Teutonicknight]

Yeah, not all grapplers are bad, that's exactly why I said almost. And yeah, Makoto's moveset covers situations, but I won't say they do a fantastic job at it. :/

CU barely even works, and she has a lot of otherwise limited and wasted moves here and there.

[OmnixTSC]

The only wasted move I can think of is Lander Blow, since it still doesn't have a standalone input. I think it's silly that they didn't fix that for post-patch.

[Teutonicknight]

Yeah, Lander Blow sucks ass, it's barely even a new move at all. 3C also sucks as mentioned, I consider it a wasted move as well. Silly no longer describes the current changes, a proper word would be more along the lines of "unfair". I can't imagine what BB4 Makoto will be like (if she's even considered for the game) if this keeps up.

[Dark Ranger88]

Make Lander Blow a standalone special > decrease lvl 3 startup to 22~24 frames > keep the frame advantage > mmmmmmmmm tasty pressure + counterhits on people who try to 2A on reaction.

 

Edit: Also 3C has it's uses Teutonic. I wouldn't consider it a completely wasted move.

[StarGazer]

 

• http://blazblue.jp/bbcp_update.html マコト 
  オーバードライブ時のパーティカルフレアーの最低保障ダメージを修正。

 

 

OD PF had a bug which made her deal less damage, this bug is now fixed :3=

[Teutonicknight]

Make Lander Blow a standalone special > decrease lvl 3 startup to 22~24 frames > keep the frame advantage > mmmmmmmmm tasty pressure + counterhits on people who try to 2A on reaction.

 

Edit: Also 3C has it's uses Teutonic. I wouldn't consider it a completely wasted move.

Maybe it falls under the limited category, but it's certainly more limited than some of her other moves for sure. But those other changes you mentioned sound sweet yet sensible.

@Star, that's what they meant by PF being fixed? I didn't even know that was a bug, lol

How much damage did she lose before it was fixed up?

[OmnixTSC]

I use 3C enough for it to matter. It punishes some obvious stuff.

[swordsman09]

3C can be used to go through some overheads and used as an anti-air kinda too. It's not great though.

[Teutonicknight]

It was sort of a gimmick move anyway (still is), I just wish I wasn't limited exclusively to Makoto's 2B. Having another low with more reach would be really nice, like if 3C had something I've always wanted; either made into a true slide attack (hitbox throughout ala Bang), or hitting twice. 

 

Oh well, 2B has pretty much always been the go-to; not often do I see a random 2C, unless done on an accident. Hilarious if it connects though.

[Dark Ranger88]

OR HITTING TWICE. 

 

Dear god that would be AMAZING. And make it so that the first hit doesn't let them emergency tech (like Bullet's 2C).

 

(Although a two hit 3C that can be used as a quickish low, still has body invuln, travels a good distance, and is plus on block would be broken as hell. They would have to change the frame advantage to like -4 or something.)

[Teutonicknight]

It'd be especially funny since the only thing sticking slightly out on the first part of the slide is her tail; having that glorious *bloop* sound of the tail followed by the kick would make the move one of the funnest in the game. Lord that change would make my day.

 

Keeping it related to the topic, the thing I miss most from 3C is how easy it was to bait bursts. Sure I can use CU, but the timing has to be pretty much at the same time the burst hits you. Not real easy to do unless you have real squirrel reflexes.

 

Oh, and reward. CU doesn't offer much to followup with either without using resources.

[Chaoschao222]

As a new Makoto player I've been eating her challenges for breakfast, until 29. That F tk'd aerial Corona is driving me crazy. It's even worse than tk'd aerial Blood Scythe.

6321473C.

[Verimeloni]

6321473C.

That motion is just so funky, I keep getting sj.2Cs even when I'm trying it out cold.

[Teutonicknight]

You'll eventually get used to it, I had trouble doing these kinds of inputs too at first, especially moving into Blaz directly after Marvel.

And I just now noticed the title got changed yet again... 

[OmnixTSC]

I just always input 9623 for TK DPs. It's just easier for me that way.

[Ragnarok_F4]

That motion is just so funky, I keep getting sj.2Cs even when I'm trying it out cold.

 

I put this in the other thread, maybe it can help (assuming it is for the typical OD combo):

 

"I try to land the first Meteor Dive as close to the ground as possible (hold D a little longer, do not release it immediately). That way when you recover on the ground, the opponent will be higher after the ground bounce, then I do like a 9236C (or 62369C) motion and it will hit. It is more difficult on people with weird air hitbox like Hazama, but it still hits on them. It is only to time well the first Meteor Dive."

[Verimeloni]

Thanks for tips guys, no luck yet, still feels plain awkward. In one of the earlier challenges I was able to cheat with doing j.C > Corona instead of tiger kneeing it but with this one you just have to be a man and just do it.

[Arc Raizen]

It might also be worth trying to do kind of a 360 motion instead: 632147963C. I know most people use 6321473C, but both work.

 

For the 6321473C, it's all about learning the flow of the motion and timing between going from 7 to 3 and when to press C after hitting 3. Just takes practice. I still screw it up all the time. A few days ago I couldn't do it 9/10 times, and yesterday I never missed it.

[Yazumatto]

I prefer 632147963C myself. I can do that more quickly and consistently. It's also fun to have a reason to churn butter with Makoto~