zeth07 Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Did James Xie did an podcast? never know about it until now! I will sure go check it out by during this week if so. maybe with replays i can help out, however my Dazzle is not the best PVR of the world if you know what i meant here. I didn't mean Xie for that part, I meant just other fighting game sites as a whole. But Xie did Beginner Mode if you haven't checked that out.
Airk Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) all these people would be winning tournaments and getting points in the rankings but then they randomly just stop showing, not only that but you can't always satisfy their schedule for a big champions tournament Am I being dumb here, or are we totally not leveraging the power of netplay with this? The only people who need to be able to be able to find time in their schedule for a netplay tournament are the people playing, and maybe a third person if the match needs to be streamed and neither player can record. Wouldn't it work to have a tournament where players were to some extent responsible for their own scheduling? "You have until Monday, January 21st to play your matches and report your results for round 1" kind of stuff. Couldn't that work? Edit: Beginner mode was phenomenal, and I was always hoping that somehow someone would build on that and take it to an intermediate level. Also, I should point out that we have an AWESOME Wiki for Extend on this site, but it's super easy to miss because it's just a random link up at the top on that bar that people don't even look at. Some way to draw attention to all that REALLY WELL PRODUCED content would sure be nice. I mean christ, we have hitbox data for EVERY MOVE IN THE GAME (well, almost every). SF4 -wishes- they had that stuff. Edited January 15, 2013 by Airk
floatwater Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Zeth if you didn't look through the CSE netplay thread (i highly doubt because it got buried later) i discussed with people about reviving the Dan league for such reason. i had a huge handful that wanted to particiapte seeing as how BB is played more via online
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 All tournaments are East Coast. All tournaments are PSN. Because they are afraid. Afraid of me.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Who are you. I'm trying to decide which cheesey super villain quote is most appropriate.
Kaising Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 i think another problem with netplay is the tight circles people tend to form. it could just be me, but i seem to notice in the PSN thread that many people, including me, often only play the same 2/3/4 people every session they have. idk, maybe i'm going crazy..
Zangriefing Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 i think another problem with netplay is the tight circles people tend to form. it could just be me, but i seem to notice in the PSN thread that many people, including me, often only play the same 2/3/4 people every session they have. idk, maybe i'm going crazy.. I believe this is true. Dustloop isn't the most friendly place in the world. Which is why I've stayed away from Dustloop up until now.
toanenadiz Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 i think another problem with netplay is the tight circles people tend to form. it could just be me, but i seem to notice in the PSN thread that many people, including me, often only play the same 2/3/4 people every session they have. idk, maybe i'm going crazy.. Isn't that mostly because people tend to play around the same times so they run into the other people who play at the same time often? I remember I used to run into you on P4A a bunch when I played it before my schedule changed.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 I believe this is true. Dustloop isn't the most friendly place in the world. Which is why I've stayed away from Dustloop up until now. Honestly I used to (and still do to some degree) associate Dustloop with the same stupidity/drama that people associate with "I'mma MLG clan member!!" kind of deal.
Zangriefing Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Honestly I used to (and still do to some degree) associate Dustloop with the same stupidity/drama that people associate with "I'mma MLG clan member!!" kind of deal. I still have that stigma towards Dustloop, but it's honestly just certain players. But, I remember playing you in CS golden years.
STenSatsu Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 The west coast online BB scene has always been kind of lacking. I'm sure Zeth remembers the WC Danisen league's number troubles sometimes lol. I've always just attributed this to West Coast having many of its players concentrated in areas with offline scenes so online play becomes much less appealing since you don't require it for practice.
Kaising Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Isn't that mostly because people tend to play around the same times so they run into the other people who play at the same time often? I remember I used to run into you on P4A a bunch when I played it before my schedule changed. but on the other hand, there are times where it's not just coincidental schedule match-ups, but deliberate private rooms exclusively for these "tight circles." i can't help but feel like although i do want to be able to play against more people, i don't get that opportunity to do so, even when asking if anyone would like to join the room. this isn't a schedule problem on my part; i'm actually available on weekday nights and almost the entire weekend, but i choose not to play mainly because i can't just sit in front of my TV playing BB all day.
Errol Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 I'm not a fan of rooms anymore. So when I want to play, I'll just play 1 person. But I'll play anyone. We saw with the P4A gamefaqs vs dustloop tournament just how much pride people *should* have for being part of dustloop. Too many people spout 'lol gamefaqs', 'lol blazblue.com', 'lol ranked'. We're all just individuals.
xntrikcat Posted January 16, 2013 Author Posted January 16, 2013 Folks - Let's not turn this into Netplay General Discussions thread. We do have the GG's Thread for that. Stick to the discussion of creating netplay hype, events we can organize, and contents we can generate.
Demon Wind Bomb Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 -For the online tournaments/league idea, if you're going to put money on the line I think there should be a "prize" for winning the league by being the top ranked player. This would also mean when you do the tournaments/league that it would have a set "season". I also think you could do a "Champions" tournament, which would have anyone who won one of the tournaments gets to participate and the winner of that also gets a prize. Let's say a season equals 8 tournaments, so it would be open to 8 potential players. If someone won multiple tournaments then any open spots are filled with the next highest ranked player, so on and so forth. I wholeheartedly support this decision. A seasonal tournament/league like this sounds like a great way to keep players interested in the game (as far as netplay is concerned). However I do believe seasons would have to be kept relatively short considering each iterations life span. Having a bi-weekly tournament/league schedule within two months seems like a good idea for an individual season. But regardless of whatever you guys decide to do, I'll try to help out in anyway way possible.
mAc Chaos Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Why not have something every week or every other week, and if people can make it, they make it, and if not they just don't miss out on getting points that week.
skd Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Sorry to bother with the youtube commnuity channel, what the best name we should call it? Kind like BBDL or BB DustLoop? i wish to get more. brainstorming this could be an nice idea if we are still yes for the youtube channel. Jourdal
XDest Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 I believe this is true. Dustloop isn't the most friendly place in the world. Which is why I've stayed away from Dustloop up until now. I agree. This type of elitism should seriously go away already. If there are people willing to learn and compete, let them try. We shouldn't be pushing new players away. Staying completely on-topic, you know what would be nice? Some more organized ft5/ft10 streams between good players. Especially if it's a set between two really solid players. It looks like Haven already beat me to it here, and it's a really awesome idea if the word gets out.
StayFree( ' 3') Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 The west coast online BB scene has always been kind of lacking. I'm sure Zeth remembers the WC Danisen league's number troubles sometimes lol. I've always just attributed this to West Coast having many of its players concentrated in areas with offline scenes so online play becomes much less appealing since you don't require it for practice. ...you make it sound like it's a bad thing.
Chaoschao222 Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 ...you make it sound like it's a bad thing. It is when you are in the areas without much of an offline scene, like the greater part of Oregon, for example, as well as a lot of Idaho. When you're stuck with online, but everyone else is busy having fun offline, it can be discouraging.
zeth07 Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Am I being dumb here, or are we totally not leveraging the power of netplay with this? The only people who need to be able to be able to find time in their schedule for a netplay tournament are the people playing, and maybe a third person if the match needs to be streamed and neither player can record. Wouldn't it work to have a tournament where players were to some extent responsible for their own scheduling? "You have until Monday, January 21st to play your matches and report your results for round 1" kind of stuff. Couldn't that work? I find this method tends to lead to problems, and people DON'T end up doing their matches or people get disinterested from having to wait for others to do their matches. If you have a set date / schedule people can either show up or they can't but matches at least happen (assuming enough people show up). I've seen quite a few tournaments go unfinished. One time I even offered to help finish a tournament and got "yelled at" for it, but that's something else entirely. The only time I see this method as a choice is if people do decide to do an specific league of players (like the Topanga League as mentioned), but I still find it flawed going that route. Again, look at LK's tournament, this was left up to the players to do and it fell through. Instead I think even that format should still follow a set schedule at least for a group of player matches per week. Honestly speaking, no matter what is decided there's going to be flaws or problems due to the nature of netplay and different people's availability. As for length of a "season", I'd say just do it as 3 months. If it is decided as twice a month, you get 6 tournaments which seems like a reasonable amount, and considering the general "hype" length people tend to have these days I think 3 months is pretty good. If it ends up happening every single week, you get a ton of tournaments in 3 month span. This way the rankings don't drag on before a "winner" is determined, and then everything is reset entirely once you start it again. For scheduling no matter what is decided some people won't be able to play, so you could say rankings are already going to be skewed by those able to play. If you decide every week, you could do something like 6pm EST twice and 9pm EST twice. If you do it twice a month you could do 1 and 1, or just outright decide specifically 1 time. Doing 1 time does mean you would get the same players available to play in most cases, while doing multiple times gives more variety but can be considered flawed since players who can be available more often on both days get an "advantage". Can't really give you an answer for this, that's up for you to decide.
mAc Chaos Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Yeah, when you have people scheduling themselves, it always turns into "oh let's play Monday, wait, I have something to do Monday, let's play next week" and it just continues until everybody forgot a tournament was even happening. Unless it's a small group and you can hunt down each person and get them on their way.
Yggjrasil Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 All the west coast people are either playing Marvel, P4U, or GG nowadays. Plebian's Playground is only a pipe dream for me.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 All the west coast people are either playing Marvel, P4U, or GG nowadays. I take offense at this. And I'm only technically near the west coast, not actually on it. But even so, it's really hard to stay motivated to do anything like this when everyone's always "LET'S DO SOME NETPLAY THING YAYYYYY! FUNNN!! OHWAIT EAST COAST ONLY LOLOLOLOL!!"* *Exact wording may vary.
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