Henaki Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 I Askatasuna again, 6k is the tackle, right? Yes. He lost 2s vacuum so there's a chance he could to AC levels of damage off 5k without meter. this is hellla important because it puts a consistent threat on the other player for avoiding pot buster. fd seems to knock pot way too far away after a safejump in too, which is obnoxious.
Mumm-Ra Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 I don't really see the potential of this move, is it + on block or something? It seems pretty slow to come out. Does it pull the opponent in on hit? Is it JCable? Where's the Xrd mook?
Henaki Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 I don't really see the potential of this move, is it + on block or something? It seems pretty slow to come out. Does it pull the opponent in on hit? Is it JCable? Where's the Xrd mook? it combos off 2s and is special cancelable, as well as moving potemkin forward.
Mumm-Ra Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 So instead of pulling the opponent in pot gets coser to them, 6k>flame pillar frametraps maybe? Is that thing even a dp?
Henaki Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 I think it wall splats too, possibly on air hit. it wallsplats in the corner on regular hit i think.
XXXDC Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 In casuals FAB did about 85% damage with this. CH 2HS 6HS gigantor bullet 6HS heat extend HellFire i guess, nothing special, anyone can do monster damage with HellFire + Random super. you can YRC ICPM and get the velocity boost, right? if so you could see potemkins start doing nasty left-rights off full screen slidehead into sj. YRC ICPM. definitely something he's never had before if it's possible ICPM => PRC only as far as i know (Not worth it from what i've seen so far). ···And finally, has anyone even done ANYTHING with Pot's flame pillar move? Nope, seems to be the most useless move ever. I've never seen it hit anyone.
Mumm-Ra Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 I believe I saw ICPM yrc happen in one of the early vÃdeos, it was some random pot I think, it wasn't fab or konsome.
Henaki Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 you can yrc ICPM, you just have to do it ASAP. it makes you fly across the screen in an arc, about 3/4ths of the distance, but you're still potemkin in the air and this game has #R air throws which are amazing anti airs.
NesmerII Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 Pretty sure ICPM can be YRC but the window is really early on, almost immediately after input (before Pot even starts "flying")
DeadlyCreampuff Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 You did see that, it has to be prettye early though, still had pot up in the air and moving forward quickly but not as high as the prc gets you.
Destin Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Icpm carries to the corner and combos in air combos.
NesmerII Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Well, just finished watching the first of Goldenrody's mikado 3on3 videos, and Konsome and FAB both soloed each of their respective opposing teams, whatever that means. It seems that 6K does cause wallstick in the corner. Flame pillar was used randomly by Konsome once, and I don't think he even meant to, lol. There has to be a use for that move... maybe it's solely for and easy heavenly-pot buster setup? Also, I think it was on twitch, I saw (FAB?) do pot buster into 2P>5S/H?>Heat Knuckle in the corner without RC. Is this new?
Appledash- Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Any usefulness the flame pillar move has escapes me completely. I have never seen that move do anything at all and I don't even know what it's for in theory. Sent from my RM-917_nam_usa_100 using Tapatalk
badgerfan20945 Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Icpm carries to the corner and combos in air combos. I've only seen it combo after an RC, which seems to be a waste of meter. FAB used it for a bit to end air combos early on but I haven't really seen it since. Edited March 2, 2014 by badgerfan20945
XXXDC Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I've only seen it combo after an RC, which seems to be a waste of meter. FAB used it for a bit to end air combos early on but I haven't really seen it since. It can be used as an air combo ender to get a knockdown. Seen it a couple of times.
badgerfan20945 Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 It can be used as an air combo ender to get a knockdown. Seen it a couple of times. Didn't know that. I always thought that you had to RC in air to get ICPM to hit.
Destin Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I am almost positive you get it out of a dust combo (possibly abusing the air cancel power of the dust), but I also think you get it off a jc move. It might be like FB air pote buster. I think 6k might be meant as a yrc move, perhaps certain moves give you the yrc RIGHT when the guy gets out of blockstun (or if they IB). That way, if they backdash, the 6k hits for damage, if they jump without fd, same deal. If they stand and block, yrc to poteb. I'm just theorizing in my head here though.
Henaki Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) I think the biggest thing is before Potemkin had hammerfall FRC which was essentially unbeatable unles you were really looking out for it. Now when Potemkin wants to keep repeating pressure instead of getting a guaranteed situation off the blockstun of hammerfall FRC, the other person just enters a mixup situation where both parties are closer to netural. whereas before pot had a free attack after the frc. loinsg hammerfall FRC was a pretty big hit, I think. losing a safe, guaranteed blockstring was pretty integral to potemkin. also hammerfall frc meant he could follow through with hammerfall as an anti-jump/mash threat at way less of a risk. I still want to see how he turns out in a few more weeks, there's probably stuff we really don't know, and I'm making a pretty early judgement imo, but seeing how FAB has issues even when outplaying people convincingly, that doesn't bode well. Edited March 2, 2014 by Henaki
Destin Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I think the biggest thing is before Potemkin had hammerfall FRC which was essentially unbeatable unles you were really looking out for it. Now when Potemkin wants to keep repeating pressure instead of getting a guaranteed situation off the blockstun of hammerfall FRC, the other person just enters a mixup situation where both parties are closer to netural. whereas before pot had a free attack after the frc. loinsg hammerfall FRC was a pretty big hit, I think. losing a safe, guaranteed blockstring was pretty integral to potemkin. also hammerfall frc meant he could follow through with hammerfall as an anti-jump/mash threat at way less of a risk. I still want to see how he turns out in a few more weeks, there's probably stuff we really don't know, and I'm making a pretty early judgement imo, but seeing how FAB has issues even when outplaying people convincingly, that doesn't bode well. I'm thinking the dev's saw some neat tricks with YRC's for pote. At least that's what I am thinking in my head. Maybe BS will prove to be strong for him, even if it is a bit of a bs mechanic.
Henaki Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I'm thinking the dev's saw some neat tricks with YRC's for pote. At least that's what I am thinking in my head. Maybe BS will prove to be strong for him, even if it is a bit of a bs mechanic. The big problem with BS is he can't translate it into a safejump mixup afterwards since his combo enders from the opponent in the air are either heat knuckle or icpm (which is like, gadget finger levels of knockdown advantage lol)
Destin Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Hmm, that sucks. Well it's still week 1 or 2, so here's hoping.
Henaki Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Hmm, that sucks. Well it's still week 1 or 2, so here's hoping. Yeah, I'm definitely being pessimistic here, but things can always change, Pot got a lot of new tools and we don't know what all of them do, but it looks pretty bad from impressions so far is all. If he can start pumping out 50% damage off anti-throw stuff, that'll be enough in my book.
redsilversnake Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Isn't Pachi on Team Red? IIRC, he's on record as hating grapplers, which why Tager's never been good. So if Potemkin does indeed turn out to be weak, it could very well be his fault if he has the same position he did on Team BB.
Kitsoru Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Isn't Pachi on Team Red? IIRC, he's on record as hating grapplers, which why Tager's never been good. So if Potemkin does indeed turn out to be weak, it could very well be his fault if he has the same position he did on Team BB. He is, but Pachi's been balancing GG since Slash iirc, so considering Pot's strength through more recent games that reasoning wouldn't really make sense (though I seem to recall hearing that too, so go figure).
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