[CPEX] Kagura Mutsuki Gameplay Discussion

[Warhound]

Apparently the 2.0 changes reception by players has been quite negative. I mean let's hope the 10 percent of changes are good. However I feel that that the big mark able thing for 2.0 is Celica.

Celica seems to be the best character by far in 2.0.

 

I can't imagine people are just going to let ArcSys just sit on 2.0 quietly then.

[-Seo]

Yeah I just saw the preview. I guess that's pretty sweet...I feel like though they should have made 2D B Special cancelable. Generally in corners if you are going for an OKi u usually end it with 2D B then A orb or B Orb. However if they made it special cancelable, using a distortion after 2D B would be pretty sick!

 

2DB is special cancelable.

[MikelAL93]

Its a good change to see that 2D~B can now be special canceled, it makes things easier now that there's another way to combo off of it instead of just rapid canceling to 6C after the first hit like you usually would.

[-Seo]

Ahh, just to clarify, I didn't mean the first hit of 2DB is special cancelable, but the second hit is on hit. No idea if this is a change they'll make, but being able to cancel multi hitting drive moves on the first hit could be nice. Sorry to get your hopes up.

[Angry Guy of DE]

So pretty much all that means is you can A orb or B orb on that hit or do it at the current time...not that B orb is going to be good for much in 2.0

[WaltzOfTheWolf]

Oh yeah I already know that. Maybe I should have clarified "distortion cancelable" or hell canceling on the first hit of 2D B. Would be flipping amazing!

[spesialo]

http://www.famitsu.com/matome/bbcp/ver2_7.html
 

■カグラ
・B龍縛旋の性能変化。遠距離ほどヒット数増加
・龍刃翔がB版、C版の2種類に
・構え専用必殺技がクラッシュトリガー、オーバードライブ、龍覇・獄焔塵でキャンセル可能に

 

- B orb properties changed. Hit increases as it travels.

- Flashkick divided into two types, B and C version.

- Able to cancel stance moves into CT, OD, and [4]~41236+C

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mw6fQFOem6c

[Harukasan]

Thanks for the translation, spesi

 

- B orb properties changed. Hit increases as it travels.

- Flashkick divided into two types, B and C version.

- Able to cancel stance moves into CT, OD, and [4]~41236+C

 

Does ArcSys think when they make changes or do they just change things for the sake of changing them

[BlackYakuzu94]

Thanks for the translation, spesi

 

 

Does ArcSys think when they make changes or do they just change things for the sake of changing them

 

 

If you know them long enough, you should know the answer.

[WaltzOfTheWolf]

Dood! I am rather psyched for the stances to cancel into OD, CT, And (4)126. That is going to be wicked fun to experiment with! The b orb chance still crushes my soul

[Toushi]

So..... where is the 2D~A bounce? 

[WaltzOfTheWolf]

You know thinking about it now 2D A bouncing may not be to bad. Considering you can CT cancel at any during. However needing meter for that could be kinda tough. 2D A - 6D Was a pretty good meter builder. Hmmm Kag is still in the tombstone XD

[-Seo]

Being able to cancel stances into [4]1236 is nice. Mostly stuff we already knew from the video, so we'll have to wait for some proper vids to pop up.

[BlackYakuzu94]

All things considered, the ability to cancel to OD and CT at least means we won't to spend 50 heat to rcOD.

Other than that, he's pretty much unchanged in terms of play style.

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[eirei]

The B orb change is probably going to wreck corner combos though

[chzchan]

CT replaces your B orb as combo fodder, but I really don't know if that is a good thing because 25 heat.

Wyvern having less pushback and possibly added vacuum on block which can lead into command grab as shown in the demonstration seems super scary.

[BFM]

It's obviously bad trade-off. Now you have to spend 25 heat to get what you could get for free ( perhaps more but still ) whereas before if you spend heat for CT you got a lot more damage. Beside I personally don't see too much use in B orb as of 2.0 but that's just an opinion. Canceling drives into (4)1236 is fine I guess. Kagura can now actually run and there is 6DC -> 5DB BUT we still don't know nothing about bounce on 2DA and 6DA still doesn't look like anything useful ( now it's not even combo fodder anymore ) so my guess is that, knowing ASW, it will be another trade-off rather than buff.

[-Seo]

Wyvern having less pushback and possibly added vacuum on block which can lead into command grab as shown in the demonstration seems super scary.

 

This was always possible btw.

[WaltzOfTheWolf]

Thinking about corner stuff now since b orbs durability sux now. You can probably do:

5b > 3c > 6d c > 2d c > CT > 2c > 5c > 6d c > 2d a > 5d (2)8 d. (Sorry didn't use caps, kinda lazy atm. Lol.)

Now this is all dependent on meter mind you, with a tad bit of speculation lol. Hopefully the trade off of b orb nets us speedier meter gain in order to utilize the CT cancel at the right moment. Haha!

[Toushi]

2.0 Kagura vs Carl

 

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24650607

 

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24650646

[Toushi]

Nothing to see...  

 

At the time he did the  2D>A  the guy bursts immediately and it was not possible to see the bounce.

 

FUCK THIS SHIT I HAVE NO HOPE TO SEE THIS ANYMORE !111!111!!!!

[Angry Guy of DE]

I don't get why they didn't have the B version of [4]6 orb have two different effects if you held the button during the animation.

Press and release = 2.0 orb that starts small and grows larger as it travels.

Press and hold = previous orb that started large and loses durability as it travels.

Venom could do it, why didn't they think of doing that for Kagura?

[FatalCounter]

I don't get why they didn't have the B version of [4]6 orb have two different effects if you held the button during the animation.

Press and release = 2.0 orb that starts small and grows larger as it travels.

Press and hold = previous orb that started large and loses durability as it travels.

Venom could do it, why didn't they think of doing that for Kagura?

You should be kidding. Is venom a charge character? That won't make sense, man. I only hope it hits twice when it is close and have some untech time (not like A orb were in 1.1) A orb used to be an amazing combo tool in the corner. If so, we should be able to connect it with 6B, not 2C but it is something. 

 

I heard and saw that they only the buffs when they nerf a lot of characters. That stream just showed me how weird some chars look now. 

[Angry Guy of DE]

Venom had two charge moves, Stinger Aim ([4]6 S or H) and Caracass Raid ([2]8 S or H) and both could be charged.  His other moves weren't charge moves but he did have charge moves.

I'm referring to holding the button during the startup animation so that by holding it through the animation you would get the current B orb instead of the 2.0 one.

At close range the B orb only does two hits and seems to have little in the way of untech time.  Also having Kagura needing to use 25 heat to do any real corner combo is nonsense when most of the cast choose to spend the 25 meter to extend a corner combo for optimal damage, Kagura has to spend it to just do a corner combo.

Just allowing him to have two version of B orb would make him more flexible and still potentially have the oki he's known (and somewhat hated?) for.

[FatalCounter]

What are talking about? He can still do a corner combo without having to spend any meter. You just have to change and adjust some drives moves and you will still be able to get a combo without using B orb. However, if you want to spend 25 heat, his damage potential is huge.