Anne Posted October 29, 2014 Author Posted October 29, 2014 I'm on mobile, accidents happen. I'd rather not have anything in here to laugh at -_- right now any tier talk that happens in here is more than likely uninformed bullshit. Sorry to ruin the fun, it's my job.
TagerTime Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 In actual somewhat exciting news, Arcadia is putting out a 50 issue magazine detailing BBCP2 next weekend. A group of translators are probably going to get on that and hopefully we'll get tons of info from that. So did this magazine actually come out or were you mistaken?
Anne Posted October 29, 2014 Author Posted October 29, 2014 So did this magazine actually come out or were you mistaken? It came out but the information was all hella basic from what I remember :/
TagerTime Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 It came out but the information was all hella basic from what I remember :/ well that's very disappointing ........
AchedSphinx Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 This thread has blown up with panic and entertainment, keep it up. I'm interested to see how the "tiers" get fleshed out over time. I was enjoying myself in mid-tier, but if the frequency of hatemail goes up, it goes up. I expect an influx of Nu players, so it'll be nice to play more people who know the matchup if that becomes the case. Looking forward to learning it all. It's been awhile since I've received hatemail for my Nu. It's also very strange if she does happen to be A-tier. I'm not sure if there will be an influx of Nu characters though. She's not easy to play in a mechanical sense. Combos are easy though. Well i'm certainly not teaching people the matchup Its fun using nu because no one uses her and gets wrecked by the matchup. Whenever i see another nu player i feel the need to establish my dominance so i'm also somewhat ok with this. I welcome the re-coming of our new swordspamming overlords. I'm not sure about you but I hate mirror match ups.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 I'm on mobile, accidents happen. I'd rather not have anything in here to laugh at -_- right now any tier talk that happens in here is more than likely uninformed bullshit. Sorry to ruin the fun, it's my job. How can we be informed if we don't talk, isn't that how information spreads to begin with?
Mumm-Ra Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 We taking random players tier lists from the BBS and discussing them now? Now?
Anne Posted October 29, 2014 Author Posted October 29, 2014 How can we be informed if we don't talk, isn't that how information spreads to begin with? You become informed by sharing good and relative information, not talking about anonymous tier lists or complaining about your character or by saying shit just to be saying it. Seriously, I'm not gonna play this game. I called you guys out on talking about a shaky tier list where we have very little relative information. You should probably think about that and why I would point it out instead of trying to play this game. Seriously, if you guys took the time to think about why I try to steer this thread in different directions there would be a lot less moderation discussion and a lot less hassle. If you don't like that well whatever, deal with it. I'm tired of seeing this thread being brought to my attention every other day. Now? -______-
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 If we can't even talk about speculation of all things, then I don't see much of a reason to post in this thread until something relevant comes along. So I'm just gonna lurk the sub forums for my info.
Galm_II Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 Sounds fair.. at some point. I guess I can wait until new actual information arrives.
Mumm-Ra Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 All the directions you've been trying to steer the discussion to are brick walls, character design? Zepp museum. Theory fighting? no basis, stop it. Basing the theory fighting on somebody who played the game's list? Not reputable. Specific character stuff? Go to that character's subforum. Might as well delete the thread if you're going to be so annoyed over people discussing general tidbits of a game they haven't played yet in a civil manner. It's not like that's a bad thing that hurts the community, I don't see why the mods are so hellbent over stopping any sort of discussion as of late.
AchedSphinx Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 The ironic part being that Anne trying to prevent the derailing caused the thread to derail further. At least we were talking about gameplay, now we got all this talk that isn't even related to gameplay.
Moy_X7 Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 Plat is almost as fun as her CSE iteration and I will play this game again because of that, that is all. P.S. - Dang it Errol
White Man Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 I suppose I could look into this myself, but since we're starved for gameplay-related topics to discuss, what the hell. Did Lambda get a new Astral in 2.0, or do her and Nu share one now? Just curious.
Errol Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 i don't recall jin 6D having guaranteed startup in the past games and i still don't believe it now haha. do you have a video of it in action? no video, but 6D always had guaranteed startup, it's just the startup was long enough that you could mash out before the guaranteed startup. They sped up the startup enough that even if you mash out, you're past guaranteed startup. I don't have a video but I've also seen Dogura, Galileo and Tsujikawa talk about how Jin 6D is dangerous. At the moment at least, it seems very strong, regardless of whether there turns out to be a direct answer to it. Plat is almost as fun as her CSE iteration and I will play this game again because of that, that is all. P.S. - Dang it Errol Dreize asked for a tier list, personally I do not engage with such rubbish. FWIW, from a glance a lot of it matches general opinions I've seen on twitter (from top players). I could ferret out tweets and translate them, but i don't particularly care to. It's better to take these things with a grain of salt. It's also good if you recognize that tier lists of this nature do have some level of accuracy, too. Some of it will reflect the current state of the game, with not all chars having all their tech figured out, or certain chars not having their execution down on their hard combos yet, etc.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 I'm gonna guess "guaranteed startup" means that the move will always come out after the initial startup frames; am I right?
Errol Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 guaranteed startup means that a move is guaranteed to start up at some point before its actual startup. again, spike chaser is a good example of a move that regularly benefits from the guaranteed startup, to get a full combo after getting hit by an IAD JC etc.
shtkn Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 even with taht, i don't see how jin's 6D would be dangerous; the opponent automatically breaks free from teh ice on trade, so i don't think there's much combo potential off that. I guess it might be good to continue pressure?
Errol Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 I don't know whether you can combo on trade but I don't think it matters much. If you can continue pressure, and you got a very favorable trade? not counting the times they might mess up and just get plain hit. it beats things 6B loses to. seems like it might even trade favorably with some dps... Dunno for sure but it seems like a lot of nice properties to have on a pressure reset move
NecroTheReaper Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 Its not so fast that 6DxN is a legit strategy is it? Either block the absurd + on block move or slowly get your hp whittled down from trades after they get the life lead.
Errol Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 No, that's a 21 frame gap. It's just that 6D seems to be super strong as an additional pressure reset tool.
TD Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 Has Jin 6d always been like this? Never mind it has. It's always been hell for dpless chars and I don't see that changing much. Chars with a good DP should have no problem beating this if they delay DP (which may lose to other things...) it is a really good thing for him though on top of his already bone-chilling pressure strings.
Dreiko Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 I've seen Jin make Celica's DP whiff completely with 6D and then freeze her with that same 6D, hers is a pretty large one too I think. Some even larger ones may not be able to be outspaced similarly but a lot will.
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