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But it's still a bad trade if it does jump cancel on block. With 3C we had -More reach so we could fit in more moves before we had to jump cancel to reset pressure -Trip which allowed us to use our Bnb routes -3C>neutral jump>falling j.C oki With 2C we'll have -A safer 2C (Hey that's always nice) -Easier confirms from 2C/FC2C (Used to be a big issue) -2C>TKj.236C (Never did like what 6B did to our damage) -2C>jcOD (This holds some interesting possibilities) Anyway, what's the hold up on finding new Rel' stuff? Did simply none exist? Why does no one from the loketest say anything about Zein? That move is the biggest mystery of them all...

X( derp.

I noticed a distinct lack of 236C>214A in those combos. I was wondering if you could end them with 6C>236C>214A>3C>distortion for better damage and same IG cost.

Well the jcOD thing works from any distance 3C which is a plus and it'll allow for 214A>214B>214C at any health giving full screen carry into 3700+ damage and 3C oki or distortion which is cool. ...I really hope 2C jump cancels on block... If it does it'll do wonders for our offense and defense come CP2.

Wait, what? Oh snap oh snap oh snap! Solo combos still exist! Necro I could hug you right now! Know what else is awesome? j.C>665B>6B>5C>2C>3C is a legit and safe blockstring! We can take this to market! ...say Necro been testing our new 2C jump cancel using rapids. It can go into j.C/j.236C pretty flawlessly provided the frame data doesn't change. If (2C>jump cancel>cancel jump start-up into OD) works anything like (2C>rapid>OD) and I think it does based on testing 5C>jcodc vs 5C>rapid>OD, then things like 2C>jcodc>2C and 2C>jcodc>5B will work and give us full OD off any 2C. I found out we could actually use jcodc on our 3C midscreen with a little execution and our lovely assistant Ignis. What you have to do is 5B>3C>6D>jcodc>6D hits>2C>214A>stuff This gives you full OD for the combo and can be done anywhere.

http://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201408070040/ Got this article from the Haz thread. I recommend translating it, as it looks to have quite a few interesting tidbits of information in it. (Celica, Lambda, Haz, OD Raid, and general stuff.) I'm probably wrong for trying to draw any sort of truthful conclusion from a google translated article with Mori as the speaker, but the bottom section seems to be saying that the game, as is in this loke, 90% completed in terms of changes and that they have no plans for when or what the console release will be. I'd be interested in a legit tranlation if it can be done, or if one already exists

Is it okay if I take out my Relius loketest angst here by posting neat little Tao things that I find in training mode? (Despite the fact that they may be found eons before me If so FC6B>5B>6A(1)>236C crosses up anywhere. You can of course get better damage with 6B>236B(whiff)>66A(2)>236C with it being just as effective. It can be followed into 22C/22[C]>things Really this works of any FC'd 6A. Double taunt combo: corner 6C>214D>4D~A>Taunt>236A>5D>6C>214D>2D~B>Taunt>236C>unison/distortion What I really want to do is add more taunts using 22C, and somehow have it combo into astral. Picture it now, 3~4 taunt combo into astral.

But they did... if only for now. ^_^"

Already it's a mechanic that favors some far above others. For Relius OD has always been kinda crappy, sure it gives good carry and maybe 1.5K more damage in the right situation, but it can't be used to the same effect as Tager doing OD raid>720C for 5.6K+Magnetism any time or Haz OD raid>Houtenjin>6K. And it's far more nightmareish for people who rely on pressure or frametraps to get through an opponent's defense. Case and point, if someone gatling from 5A to 5B should be punishable for 6K then I need to stop playing fighting games.

You're darn right Necro, messing with 3C is a step too far, and just about the only thing I didn't want nerfed. If we don't get something of equal or greater value, then I fear we're doomed. But lets see what this thing of equal or greater value that they will offer us, before we truly descend into madness. I don't think Id Zein is gonna be that thing, unless it somehow adds 1K to our midscreen and 2K to our corner combos turning us into Azrael.

It could be that, or they could still be re-creating the characters. Gotta break an egg to make an omelette, right? If the top tier characters maintained their pivitol tools the creators can't change much can they? We'd all just fall back on our old stuff. I'm depending on Lokes#2-5 for new shiney tools to play with! If they leave Mu, Carl, Relius, Valk, and Koko still in despair around Loke#4 then I'll be worried. Until then lets hold off on writing our congressmen.

More like JOKE TESTS!? eh? eh? Am I right? =D This is probably them just testing the waters right now, throwing out any/every outrageous idea to see what sticks. But I'll hand it to them, for all the terrible decisions that seem to plague Loke#1, Koko actually seems like a balanced character almost. Also Bullet and Izayoi are moving in the right directions finally and it's making me kinda scared of Tager if in text only. If only they understood that Makoto and Kagura need buffs too...

I feel ya, believe me. But I'd much rather have a Ignis bar than an Ignis number if ya catcha mah drift. I feel like it's gonna be a lot more okay than ya might expect.

Not really, I stopped playing Hazama eons ago, and when I did I just dash jumped everywhere then used chains. I play Rel now, and a bar is much easier to pay attention to than a number. Having one makes you always aware of what your capabilities are, and believe it or not, it's not the most painful think in the world to manage. =/

If Tager is super close, why are we chaining him with no stock in the first place? -_-

I'mma do all I can for Relish in terms of making tech for him, no matter what may or may not happen to him, however if I'm having more fun playing another character, I don't see why I should limit myself to just Relius.

5D>stance>invulnerable B follow-up doesn't work against Tager? And A cancel would in that situation?

Gad Leis? Yes, and the trick is all the moves leading up to it. You have to delay as long as possible between 3C and 6D, 6D and j.B 2C and 6C, and from 6C to 41236B. The more you delay, the lower the opponent is, the easier it is to get 41236B. Even just doing 2C from its max height, if you delay into 6C properly then into 41236B properly, you get it to work 100% of the time.

Is there someone at the loketests covering Relius right now? If so it'd sure be dandy to know what Id Zein does or what pressure options he has as of now. I'm curious where Zein might fall into place in the grand scheme of things, and I'm hard pressed to imagine what we're gonna do pressure and mix-up wise without a normal that's jump cancelable on block and isn't 5A. Eternal gratitude to the bloke who can enlighten us.

That remains to be seen with Teru buffs/nerfs =/ Getting hit by OD terumi is pretty bad, and OD Messenga is a pretty great starter.

By the same token there's OD>Messenga and the like. While safer, zoners are no doubt still victims.

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So to put things into words, OD raid is very flawed. With the addition of it, any move with large start-up or with large recovery but can't be canceled, no matter how safe or plus it would be in a blockstring normally, will be countered for large unburstable damage. An incredible defensive tool like this is paramount to hijacking a school-bus and crashing it into the game's meta. Now if you could barrier cancel at any time during your opponent's OD raid, that would be slightly more balanced. It would offer the opponent an escape from apocalyptic rape during their own pressure, as well as refute the need for a DP or Rapid cancel on long recovery moves. I think this is just about the only way to begin to make something like this balanced. (canceling into a DP or doing a rapid wouldn't even be able to fully deter OD raid usage, as it could be used during the start up of one of your moves and DPing or Rapiding would be rendered impossible.)

You'll just have to smash it into your controller skillfully like the rest of us!

This is weird I could have sworn I saw that on the Izayoi threads, but on second inspection it's gone. I'll change it. Is it distortion cancelable? Whoops, would you care to add a summary?