Dacidbro

I see what you did there.........

I make fun of WBW to his face all the time, cause he told me half a year ago he was gonna get super cool, then didn't.. then at the start of summer was like "Im gonna learn real pressure", then didn't.. so now it's a running joke I love that guy. WBW is one of my favorite BB persons. That's why I'm soooo comfortable calling him bad

My math isn't wrong, unless you can somehow explain why it's wrong? Pretty tired of "I can't make my point so I'm leaving PS he's wrong" Also, obviously nothing's keeping you from posting anything you want in the matchups.. this is the social thread

I never claimed it to be an overhead, and it high profiles lows, defined as "crushing" them

Everything that I've argued has been shown time and time again in match videos, so if you needed a reference you can watch most matches on Game-ACHO

I'm saying players even better than myself, a top player in America, get opened up by Hazama all the time. Therefore, his pressure is strong and obviously works. Does that make sense? There's a reason they don't mash, you know. Jabaki is -2 on IB. That's disadvantage at worst, you can't be punished. EDIT: Your new edit: 5A whiffs crouching, not the same. Hazama has one of the only advantaged 2A's in the entire game, most aren't even even. Also, every reference to Hakumen is irrelevant, since he has very few gatlings. As a result, he needs universal frame advantage just to keep up. Also, again, he can't cancel his dash to normals, so he can't continue his pressure well. By the way, cut out the snide remarks. Every argument I've made so far is extremely well grounded and thoroughly explained. It doesn't take insults to make a point.

+1 on a flutter crouch jab IS heavy advantage. +2 on a normal as universally applicable as 5B is heavy, too. Like I said, 6A is situational, but very strong. When using it as an overhead, it simultaneously frame traps. Do you get it? When you have meter, you just determine what actually happened and react accordingly. I know that Makoto's 6B is broken as hell, but it doesn't mean that Hazama's 6A does not do similar things. Zeron, I'm referencing Japanese Hazama. I don't play any strong Hazama. Also, I explained why you were wrong in the post that you say I'm wrong about. Why am I not correct?

1 d2A is not mash outable. It's a 3 frame window if staggered from 6B, 4 frame window if staggered from 5B or 214D~A, 5 frame if staggered from 2A. That gives him a ton of options, all of which set up conditioning for safe frame traps which lead to massive damage. 2 They are that safe (because of jabaki, which is -2 even if your opponent instant blocks it, not even punishable), and you can frame trap with 6A it's just situational (Strong hazama players do so, especially when they have meter to either confirm to huge damage with meter back, hit confirm with normals on CH or Rapid to continue pressure on block). Jabaki is either "Im making this safe now, pressure's over, back to neutral" or "I'm using this REALLY close, and it's +1 pressure time" it is a multi-faceted move. 4 the snake nerf hurts, but you can still do it. Usually you don't need to use snakes, just jump cancel IAD Back is pretty safe if you don't overuse it, and you can condition your opponents to try to rush in on you for it and make them pay for it. It's all conditioning.

Jabaki is just his "Oh I fucked up, time to make this safe" move. It makes his frame traps all safe. Yeah like I said, I missed when skimming the frame data, and already corrected 214D~A Thanks guymam . And to make your point a little better, he actually agreed with me and said I was right, deal with it.

1 - Valkenhayn's dash is not normal cancellable, so for him to have such ludicrous frame advantage is necessary. Hazama, unlike valkenhayn, can also reset his distances with d2A, something Valkenhayn can't do. The dash normals let him use extremely auto pilot pressure, since most options are very very safe, the definition of autopilot. If Haz's pressure is see-through, I think you need to play stronger opponents, no offense intended. I see extremely strong players get opened up by Hazama constantly, through safe options. 2 - But his frame traps are mostly safe, so it's still autopilot. 3 - yeah x_x 4 - Safety makes the need to actually do something about it on defense relevant. Because he's so safe and can fade off, people push buttons and get frame trapped. Hazama has to personally make very few reads, and stays safe. Good point on ressenga, my fault, skimmed the data. +2 is still good. Dusty; Characters aren't inherently punished for backing off, but many start "losing" as soon as they do. Such as Ragna, where being at neutral is disadvantageous. To be at advantage against most of the cast despite taking a safe route out and returning to neutral is a huge advantage, and lets him play even safer.

His 2A is +1 and easily staggerable, which is one of the only 2A's in the game with frame advantage. His 5B is +2 6B is +3 Jabaki is +1 214D~A is +2 You really don't see the frame advantage? Those are better than almost any character, especially considering most of them are very fast start up. 6A is not safe on IB, but full spaced 6A without IB is safe, which is very good for an overhead like that since it does frame trap (Like the way Satoshi frame trapped with Makoto full space 2A 6B, only less powerful and more situational because it is disadvantage if blocked) and you can easily confirm either counter hit to normals or normal hit to super. 3C CH is visually confirmable to either jabaki or 214D~C, you just have to be quick.

Things like "You don't really have much of a purpose here anymore" are what I'm talking about. This is a forum based on the Hazama community, and you don't want someone who actually knows what he's talking about here? Or alternatively, just as a fellow player, you'd rather me not be here just because "my topic has expired"? This board trolled me hard, for a long time, a long time ago, because Zidane made it popular. I didn't hold a grudge, but apparently the board did, for whatever reason. I really don't get it. Hazama absolutely has the option of backing off, and all of the strong Hazama's do so successfully, frequently. Using his jump cancel on 5B, 5C, and 2C, or intelligent jabaki, all let him get away, and he instantly can control the empty space with his chains before the opponent can move, comparative to his commitment. If you REALLY want to get far, you can IAD backwards from any jump cancel and use any chain pull you want with any followup, and it can't be interrupted.

Well personally, we discussed whether or not Hazama's pressure was strong and simultaneously autopilot. I guess you could give me reasons it isn't? Reasons I believe it is; -Extremely large frame advantage for quick moves -Large payout for successful frame traps (Which operate on inherently safe move, 2C, 6A, or even 3C, cancellable to jabaki or 214D after hit confirm) -Strong command grab that gives 50 meter if hit in the corner, also strike invulnerable -No disadvantage for returning to neutral, really allows Hazama to stay safe even when on offense as there's no penalty for backing off

A response to any of the arguments I've made so far that were shut down without reasons, or maybe an explanation to some of the so-far baseless criticisms or insults. You've already told me to go away and compared me to a hookworm, do you think that's really a fair analysis of both the best course of action and a good fair description of what I'm similar to? And some reasons why

I'm still waiting for a response though, maybe you could help? You guys act like I'm not even human, here. It's really offensive.

Do you even read what I post? Does anyone here even read??

Why should it never be used? It crushes lows with high reward.

Given the extremely loaded sentence "Everyone here is wrong but you" which implies I think I'm right without substantial evidence to back it up, am I just supposed to leave it as is or can I present my own stance that yes, I do in fact believe I was right about everything I brought to debate? The things you guys say off hand, the implications are astounding. Dusty implies that I'm so stupid I can't even figure out how to play neutral game (Whiffing 5B like an idiot, as though playing footsies with one of the top players in the world is somehow easy), you imply that somehow I have a complex over being right when in reality I'm just waiting for a reasonable argument (You might remember that even though the things BO said were grossly exaggerated and insulting, I still recognized the merits of what he said) I dunno, it gets old when it seems like everyone just wants to tear you down, instead of actually caring about what you're saying. Just respond to my arguments and I promise I won't ever disregard it.

Well if you can't even tell me what I did to troll myself, it's hard to take it seriously (Get it, because it's impossible?) As it stands, it's just a bunch of people saying "You're stupid" and then refusing to explain the reasoning behind their arguments. Whenever I disagree, I give reasons why, and it can help people get to a better final conclusion; that doesn't happen here. As a result, this board stagnates. Any view foreign to common or meme based knowledge is rejected. Very frustrating.

You don't always have the option to "punish lows", so having something that can crush them and leads to decent damage/meter on a hard call-out is nice. It's good to bring up.

Care to explain

On all of the topics discussed here, yes. Matchups being worse than currently rated is certainly debatable, but that's really one of the only ones so far. I'll troll here as frequently as desired, because this thread trolled me first. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

What does "Getting desperate" even mean? People just keep saying ridiculous things and I keep explaining why they're wrong (Or if they're obvious like "Bang's 5B is still good" I just kind of leave it alone, smile and nod)

I can't be anything else. Born the best, stay the best.

Stay youtube PS Huey must be getting pretty good to convince you this matchup isn't that bad