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You're (obviously, and I'm sure you know) grossly exaggerating the things that I said, but the point is understood onslaught.

1: I said Haz can be autopiloted, Zidane agreed. Learning a character's tools is default, and you have to with Noel to beat GOOD players too. 2. I didn't say I would master Hazama in 48 hours, I said I would learn him in 48 hours, because I already know and understand all of his tools better than most American Hazama "players" (If you're a Hazama god, obviously this doesn't include "you") 3. 4. Noel is not bullshit, she's a little too good and high reward for kind of dumb things, but to play her at a high level you can't be a retard. Spoilers: This may or may not dis-include american play in general! 5. The beating LK with 6D is a reality. He knows I think he's a better player than I am, but I still won that match and made top8. If someone's going to make fun of me for using 6D, I'm going to defend it with the results. The tokido analogy is terrible and irrelevant. I did not beat Tokido. Oh, but you want to know how many people jumped on the mock-me bandwagon for losing to him, without provocation? Man, you have no idea.

OHH MY GOD GO WATCH A GOOD HAZAMA FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YOUR LIFE You don't even know how much or how often I make fun of Willy because of how bad his Hazama is. Go ahead, just ask him. I make fun of it every time I see him at least twice.

I just think it's funny that when Zidane disagrees with me everyone here rides his nuts but when he agrees with me he's completely ignored to the level that people don't even know he's already posted. Stay free

Actually Zidane agreed with me on the only argument I made, onslaught.. There were a number of things that you've said that were so completely incorrect I didn't have words to express how solidly wrong they were, so I said things like "Improve" or "Watch better players". I still don't really have anything better to say when you think Hazama's pressure isn't incredible, especially with the option to fade into one of the strongest zoning games whenever he wants to. Besides, you've been tossing out similar remarks the entire time as well, only more personal, more degrading, more mocking and most ironically, less backed by fact.

Do you ever give up? You've already proved you don't even understand your main, do you really have to dig the hole deeper?

I bet you couldn't beat Lord Knight with just 6D, either Look, referencing majors where I made top8 with a very bad character (apparently now third worst) isn't really going to make your point any stronger.

Of course. Tager is almost always slightly disadvantaged. But not nearly as much as people tend to believe ^_^

Nah, just niggas keep callin me out when I'm trying to make jokes, then talks get serious. Guymam, it was a joke. WBW's Hazama, right now, is terrible. You already know I personally complimented your play at Revelations, cmon. Zidane; agreed on all points. Especially teaching Japanese players shit they didn't know. Huey, I never actually LEARNED her. Everything I knew about Tao was improvised during match. If I spent 48 hours straight, I could easily learn Hazama.

Okay, so if you're not pushing buttons, he gets to reset with 2A combined with 5B stagger for free and eventually command grab you for free, and if you ARE pushing buttons you can get frame trapped for damage. We've now defined "pressure", something that Hazama has a LOT of. Your drastically over-simplified picture of his offense leads me to believe you aren't very good at it, because Hazama really does have amazingly powerful offensive capabilities, considering his incredible zoning game on top of it. It's not about converting to high damage, it's about continually maintaining easy safe knockdowns to build meter, which is when Hazama becomes truly insane. With 50 meter in his pocket, any confirm's damage is now average to high, regardless of starter, and builds a lot of meter back. Anyway, keep practicing. You have a long way to go.

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Saying you can mash out of something that fast for free every time is like saying you've never played someone good. Obviously if you've ever watched high level players it doesn't work like that, so don't be stupid. Then you instantly refute yourself by saying don't ever mash in his pressure.. seriously? 3C is not risky, because Jabaki exists, so again your point is really pointless even by your own standards. As you state YOURSELF, your opponent can't punish it. Hazama has stronger matchups than Noel and only one maybe two bad matchups. Most likely the difference between S and A tier. Again, your "facts" about his normals are ludicrous, do more research. Watch more high level Hazama, I guess. Hazama IS a more bullshit character than noel. That's why he's rated #2.

Oh. skim fail On the bright side, it seems like he has a positive match against Noel, evenish with 2 (I think) and then 2/3 45s and 1/3 4s for the rest

If your opponent gets hit by a frame trap there's something wrong there? When he has some of the strongest advantage on normals/most easily resettable stagger pressure of almost anyone in the game? Yeah, sure. Hazama's offense is autopilot. His ability to constantly reset his pressure with absolutely no thought and be easily safely be paid for it is way too strong right now. Your opponent is forced to make risky reads, which can lead to traps like 2C counter hit and 3C counter hit, or just a simple knockdown. I don't really think you understand this character, so I'm just going to say watch more Shima, Buppa, or Zidane or something. And please, when making such ridiculous arguments like "My S tier character is less autopilot than an A tier character", don't be so condescending in your post. It makes you look really bad. EDIT: By the way, Willy doesn't USE any of the autopilot things that make Hazama good. That's why he's a -scrub-. I bet I could learn this character in 2 days and do better than I currently do with Bang.

You can't seriously tell me you can't find anything to autopilot with Hazama? This character is fucking nonsense lol If a Noel mashing 2D is beating you, you're FUCKING UP SO BAD.

Yeah I guess the super latest tier list from japandesu says even. MY TURN TO HOLD THAT But he still has universally stronger matchups so still hold it

Yo guymam stay mad even when you have a positive matchup against Noel Meaning your character is more bullshit Hold that I stand by my statement that WBW is best Hazama in America cause he's got spirit

Fair points. New Yukikaze does help a lot in some of his more difficult matches too though. I think it's just very easy to say he's probably not worse or better than somewhere in B tier and move on. He's a viable character, but doesn't have great answers to the risk/reward of top tiers, like most B tier characters.

You don't have to play gimmicky with the new Tager.. and 3C RC walk is mix up, that's not a gimmick at all. It's actually extremely powerful if harnessed correctly. When I watch Akira, it's just SOLID play. Another reason I think people vastly underestimate CS2 Tager. Akira doesn't look like he struggles in most matchups, or even that there's a disadvantage. Someone just said all of his matchups are 45 or worse, that's ridiculous. Osuna; I guess it's hard to say "don't ever be negative", but that's not what I'm trying to say either. You're of course extremely articulate, but I think you understand what I'm saying, with the example of "being honest about a problem" compared to "constant negative venues of thought"; Tager players mostly lean towards the second, which is not only not useful but also destructive to other players and their respective scenes. You can say "It's their choice", but I don't agree with that when the way they interact with the community is capable of dragging it down, similar to saying "It was their choice to assassinate Martin Luther King Junior" (Obvious hyperbole, but you get what I mean)

Mm, I would definitely normally agree with you, but the way WhiteBoyWilly plays allows me to use both of those to decent effect. I like to scope out individual opponents and see what I can do, so "never" seems too broad of a rule for me. But I do generally agree with not using sledge or double jC for movement options. Jump delayed C to hit 4C is great advice, thanks.

But it wasn't people not wanting to get good, it was people not understanding they COULD. They already thought they were capped out, and that there was no way they could improve, because of the mindset. It's not deception either, it's just that they were playing badly and could have been playing better, but wouldn't improve because they thought they couldn't. If I let people who feel negative express themselves, more people become negative as a result. I don't understand "letting people be negative" when negativity just makes things less enjoyable or causes arguments, etc., and rarely has any benefit at all. There's honesty about things that could be better, but that's different from negativity. In general, this board hyperbolates the negative and focuses on it and breeds on it, and then every other Tager player who wants to learn comes here and learns to be negative as a result, when the reality is it's just not as bad as this board believes (Examples of false negative information, every matchup is disadvantaged, Tager's normals suck, Tager has no good anti air, Tager can't win, etc)

I guess. I would say that complaining constantly for years can certainly hinder progress. I know that the mentalities described on dustloop severely hindered Northern California Tager progress, as the tager players generally replaced getting good enough to beat bad top tier players with complaining about how bad top tier players are unbeatable with bad low tier play.. kind of a vicious cycle that was only broken in CS2 where the tiers did not in fact mandate who won our local tournaments, and suddenly everyone wanted to improve. Beyond that, complaining constantly makes a place unbearably negative, and leads to sad depressed mentalities. Personally I see reasons to avoid that, but I guess I can't be the only one that's always happy (And not artificially so, either, there's a large difference there). o_o

It was a very low key, but great tournament. I had a lot of fun.

I meant via stress. Heart attacks from sodium.

So recently I beat the best Hazama in America, WhiteboyWilly, in tournament