A.X.I.S. Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 I love how you guys worry about changes that probably won't stick.
Arcade Fire87 Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 I love how you guys worry about changes that probably won't stick. When it's said to be the last fucking loketest, yeah. And new Lambda will be more fucking dumbed down than CT Nu, except now she sucks ass
SolarMisae Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 Hey hey, thats what they said about Rachel before CS came out...can't ever be too cautious, Arc is sneaky...I don't trust them.
mAc Chaos Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 Maybe she's supposed to be a guard crush character now?
germanturkey Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 if by dumbed down Nu, you mean no teeth and as dangerous as a spoon, then yes. at least she did damage back in CT and CS1. guard crush with what? slower spike chaser? sickle storm with the same long startup? longer recovery tk? that's like saying "i'm going off roading on a tricycle."
A.X.I.S. Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 When it's said to be the last fucking loketest, yeah. And new Lambda will be more fucking dumbed down than CT Nu, except now she sucks ass I'd like to take a moment to say this: rachel tier is not as bad as CT tager tier. lamb tier probably won't be as bad as rachel tier. lastly loketest for CS1 made it look like litchi was shit on...then look what happened.
SolarMisae Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 Basically that simply sums up this: There is absolutely no 100% way to know whats actually gonna happen in the final product. For all we know she could end up CT Nu tier, CS Litchi tier, stay they same, end up CS Rachel or at worst CT Tager tier. There is no way at all to know. Meaning, if we wanna be a little worried at the current changes, we're allowed to feel that way. I personally am not all that panicked, really. I just know that anything can happen. As I said earlier, I am hoping for the best and expecting the worst. I can be happy if good changes happen and not too disappointed if bad ones do.
kenja0 Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 Um the air unblockable moves for Lambda seems like a huge plus on the offense. I mean, 5Cx8 requiring barrier block may shit on barrier guarding in the air, especially when delayed. Hell, no one online seems to block that move after a tech anyway...
SolarMisae Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 It seems to me though even with the air unblockables, the other currently listed changes still makes her pretty meh-tier unless some new combos are discovered. Not that it matters a whole lot though, they're subject to change anyways.
kenja0 Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 6C into 236C? Besides, everyone's biting the dust. Look at Hazama. Anyone think we could be lower than no combos?
ryu-bi Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 Maybe she's supposed to be a guard crush character now? however if I get a guard crush seems like a lot of my options are nerfed except throw>super and astral being untechable - 236C > 5C > 6C (sends them flying away) - 236C > 2DD > 2147D (prolly end of combo without RC) - TK loop with that same move proration
St1ckBuG Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 All loktest talk is trivial. If you're going to base your opinions on a test version of the game, then you're only making yourself look like an idiot. There have been major changes to characters in-between the final loktest and release that weren't in ANY of the loktests. If you've been paying attention to changes, rarely do the changes make you feel like they're tweaking the character bit-by-bit: the changes made are usually leaned toward a heavy nerf or buff in terms of character 'balance'. The final version of the game probably won't be anywhere close to this weekend's version. With that being said, you might as well stop talking about BBCSII. As of right now it doesn't look like any US arcade is going to be able to make it work (cause of this whole network issue). On top of that, we're not even sure if it's going to be DLC or a new release, AND we don't even know when it's going to be released to consoles. You should be talking about how to make yourself a better player with the character you have now... not theory fighting with the character you MIGHT have in the future. Speculation is great and all... but damn people... you sound like the Litchi boards when people were complaining about not being able to combo off of Tsubame in Continuum Shift, and then going on to say she'll be C tier without it. Stay free.
No Limitz Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 All loktest talk is trivial. lmao, this People need to move on, find new combos and figure out new strategies. Keep it fresh. Stay salty and in school, Lambda boards!
kenja0 Posted October 23, 2010 Posted October 23, 2010 Stickbug is right. Combos can change but learning a new combo doesn't really take as much skill (compared to street fighter) as say perfecting one's defense and reaction timings and making one a more rounded fighter. Instead of talking about possible changes, I think it'd be better to practice something like say perfect blocking entire blockstrings and not get caught by mixup. Unless they take out perfecting blocking, it's the only thing that is confirmed to transition between versions of BB AND a lot of fighting games with parry.
zaeris Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 All loktest talk is trivial. If you're going to base your opinions on a test version of the game, then you're only making yourself look like an idiot. There have been major changes to characters in-between the final loktest and release that weren't in ANY of the loktests. If you've been paying attention to changes, rarely do the changes make you feel like they're tweaking the character bit-by-bit: the changes made are usually leaned toward a heavy nerf or buff in terms of character 'balance'. The final version of the game probably won't be anywhere close to this weekend's version. With that being said, you might as well stop talking about BBCSII. As of right now it doesn't look like any US arcade is going to be able to make it work (cause of this whole network issue). On top of that, we're not even sure if it's going to be DLC or a new release, AND we don't even know when it's going to be released to consoles. You should be talking about how to make yourself a better player with the character you have now... not theory fighting with the character you MIGHT have in the future. Speculation is great and all... but damn people... you sound like the Litchi boards when people were complaining about not being able to combo off of Tsubame in Continuum Shift, and then going on to say she'll be C tier without it. Stay free. The problem is lamdaba has been fully research for over a year. So most of her tech has been discovered. She's been change down not up and hasn't been given anything new to add. 5c falls under the projectile status which might be blockable in the air. Whats left might be useless B move that has no reach or are slow or useless C moves that are slow. lol at everyone using guard crush has an example. You do realise that she needs damage to force people to burst? try fighting rachel I never once had an urge to green burst even if I had 10% left thinking where can I burst when all her damage does around 2k. I have no idea what thread you've been reading but litchi was consider one of top characters at the end of CS1 and she's is a technical character meaning there are plenty of option. Lambda would be considered a half technical character with TK feint to expand on her fighting concept, although she doesn't have anything fancy really. overall I'm only praying this is a troll, 6c mention does not wallbounce unless corner thinking of the new bang change to 623b which has the same property. increase recover on tk feint means jdd tk cancel jdd won't combo, this system change is probably irrelevant since it effects everyone and everyone can use it to there benifit while simple character of lambda are falling. Talk is trivial but I be surprise if its like rachel player in denial believing she's going to be fine in CS until real gameplay shows. That would be lol worthy, bang was consider top in loketest and still stayed strong. Let see where the real lambda ends up. Atm its rather gloomy or is ASW the best troll ever? I'm just going to prepare to some pop corn and wait at this stage.
SolarMisae Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 I'm with zaeris. I'm not complaining, I'm just talking about the changes that are currently listed and how they're sorta not so great. I said the last page that even if she went shit tier I'd still play her, because I like this character. Everyone is saying "learn new combos" when I don't think anyone has complained at all about the slight possibility of doing so. I just said that yeah, she's looking meh right now but only until new combos are made. God damnit you people who are complaining about OUR complaining are just the opposite side of the same damn coin. It's not just us, EVERYONE needs to shut the hell up already. Bitching at people for bitching to make them stop bitching makes a lot of sense guys. Anyways..I know loketest talk is speculation. I said earlier that there isn't any way to know ANYTHING about whats really gonna happen. It was just a discussion, but now it's a bitch-fest. Why don't BOTH SIDES...both those complaining about loketest stuff AND those complaining about the complainers STFU now then? Kthx. Moving on now. Discuss ways to work around possible changes instead of whining.
zaeris Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 I'm with zaeris. I'm not complaining, I'm just talking about the changes that are currently listed and how they're sorta not so great. I said the last page that even if she went shit tier I'd still play her, because I like this character. Everyone is saying "learn new combos" when I don't think anyone has complained at all about the slight possibility of doing so. I just said that yeah, she's looking meh right now but only until new combos are made. God damnit you people who are complaining about OUR complaining are just the opposite side of the same damn coin. It's not just us, EVERYONE needs to shut the hell up already. Bitching at people for bitching to make them stop bitching makes a lot of sense guys. Anyways..I know loketest talk is speculation. I said earlier that there isn't any way to know ANYTHING about whats really gonna happen. It was just a discussion, but now it's a bitch-fest. Why don't BOTH SIDES...both those complaining about loketest stuff AND those complaining about the complainers STFU now then? Kthx. Moving on now. Discuss ways to work around possible changes instead of whining. DL with common sense is rare and this is how DL thinks atm Discussion = troll/bitching ^^ however I have faith in lambda players since people that continue to play her since CT are passionate people that like the characters. Rather people who didn't want to put in effort. I have little faith in people who does not play lambda and come into a thread acting high and mighty. Stuff that would work is falling j.c combo thats hasn't been use. 2dd -> 6c was rather a core component of lambda combo well 6c in general sincethrow combo can only be combo from 2dd it feels so empty atm. Seriously without getting any additional tools or property its seems like a tough ride. So what are Lambda buff currently? she was a perfect fine character high execution, situation and abare combo. 4b changes easier corner TK lol, actually im just going to sit back and relax, the lack of ability to combo mid screen into something worthy is off setting. I be more content if Lambda resemble Ino from GG that had minimal damage mid screen and very high to death combo in corner something that rewards here for getting her opponents to the corner.
kenja0 Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 The only things left to talk about is how can 4B be used effectively and what's happening on the loketests. Only so much one can do on these forums before tolerance/knowledge is peaked. Let people fight with their theories on dustloop (within the bounds of the mods). Some of us will still be practicing to get better in the end. Besides, if Lambda ends up bottom and people can still win matches with her, that's a pretty big bitchslap to those smug assholes who think her nerfs made her balanced enough for them to not suck. And that's something I want to be good enough to do to people all the time.
St1ckBuG Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 The problem is lamdaba has been fully research for over a year. So most of her tech has been discovered. She's been change down not up and hasn't been given anything new to add. 5c falls under the projectile status which might be blockable in the air. Whats left might be useless B move that has no reach or are slow or useless C moves that are slow. Everyone gets changes 'up and down' after their 'tech' has been discovered... that's the point of a loktest... good job? The air-unblockable stuff won't change her game-play. All of the stuff that was able to catch jumps was already air-unblockable (6A and 2C). If somehow her D normals or 214D/214DC were made air-unblockable then we'd have a change that actually had some sort of effect on her. lol at everyone using guard crush has an example. You do realise that she needs damage to force people to burst? try fighting rachel I never once had an urge to green burst even if I had 10% left thinking where can I burst when all her damage does around 2k. I'm glad you know what her damage is going to be like before the game has even been released. I wish I could see into the future... you must be pretty gdlk. I have no idea what thread you've been reading but litchi was consider one of top characters at the end of CS1... I didn't say the end of CS1, I said during the loktests FOR CS1 (that's what I was implying)...as in, before the game was released. http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?7413-BB-Continuum-Shift-Litchi-info-thread Reading your post hurts my head... some things don't even make sense. Seriously people, wait until the the game has been played for AT LEAST a month. That gives you about 2 more months of pointless theory fighting. I don't want people wasting their time complaining (or being sad) about a game that hasn't even been released yet.
zaeris Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 snip........... Somehow you feel the need to reply to my post even though I have already said I'm going to wait it out but I'm providing a discussion to people that wants to discuss. You don't seem to be one of those people so you might as well shouldn't read it? I'm glad you know what her damage is going to be like before the game has even been released. I wish I could see into the future... you must be pretty gdlk. I will include this quote though since you can't comprehend the analogy between bursting and a character doing low damage. Because it stands clear in all example if you're character does low damage people won't burst or feel threaten enough to burst. There going to be 2 scenario, either lambda does low damage and people don't burst or the damage is high enough that people will burst. Either way I don't believe anyone is going to factor in double bursting as their game plan. It's even an after thought atm using guard crush in CS1. D move won't be air unblockable you know thats the logical conclusion, however I'm going to use my crystal ball on that one. Although its likely going to have a 90% success rate? want to place any bets?
ToastCrust Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 The only things left to talk about is how can 4B be used effectively and what's happening on the loketests. Only so much one can do on these forums before tolerance/knowledge is peaked. Depending on the distance, I could see GC into 4B, lol. Dunno how that'd prorate--maybe there's a better starter that could lead into 4B, not really sure. 214A > 4B > etc.? Either way, our damage potential's probably been nerfed since expected to just mash our opponents into GC every match >_> TK crescent will probably be more useful for just shaving off primers rather than a combo piece / ghetto overhead. Since it doesn't seem to combo into much (out of corner), I could actually see people taking the crescent in the face rather than blocking it to be a valid choice, even. And I suppose the old TKCrescent combos might work in FC scenarios lol
kenja0 Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 You have a point about that 4B. But I still think there would be more damage output from say a combo that starts with 236C clean hit (near corner as of current loke). And if a Guard Crush occurs with Arakune/Tager, I'm going for that [236C]x7... no matter how worthless it is compared to other options. And damn uncomboable overheads (w/o meter). Almost as useless as SF4's. "Overhead Grapple character- get 360/720'd"
Domethieus Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 Does anyone happen to know when the final revision of the patch going to be released? Imo, her gameplay may change a bit... <.< but as long as she still has her zoning tools, I'm happy lol
ToastCrust Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 You have a point about that 4B. But I still think there would be more damage output from say a combo that starts with 236C clean hit (near corner as of current loke). And if a Guard Crush occurs with Arakune/Tager, I'm going for that [236C]x7... no matter how worthless it is compared to other options. And damn uncomboable overheads (w/o meter). Almost as useless as SF4's. "Overhead Grapple character- get 360/720'd" Well, since cavalier > CxN > 6C > etc. won't work out of the corner now, maybe we'll use 4B-type combos on midscreen guard breaks, while cavalier GC combos will be if it happens in a corner? Also, I'm away from the game right now so I can't test, but can you burst out of GC? We might have to GC into forcing bursts.... I can't really appraise how likely that scenario is though.
zreb Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 Does anyone happen to know when the final revision of the patch going to be released? Imo, her gameplay may change a bit... <.< but as long as she still has her zoning tools, I'm happy lol Supposedly December 9th for the time being.
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