DC Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Even if she does get cursed, she can pull off a runaway storm and avoid dealing with a good chunk of Arakune's fever mode. You seen the size of those bugs? I dunno, from what I've seen and experienced, as soon as 'Kune's out of guard or hitstun your best bet is to hold back like no tomorrow. Seems like cursing her would be the biggest problem.
Skye Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 That's not an absolution. Rachel can run, but it's really circumstantial , on if she has the space or not. If Arakune curses her close range, she really can't do anything but burst, and bursting only helps Arakune, because once that combo gets on it's way, there's nothing to save you. And if Arakune has a point lead, if Rachel runs off, Arakune has all the time in the world to prepare his recurse set ups and throw Rachel right back in this position, but this time with a Silpheed handicap. Not to mention, his DD aims straight up.
kro_ Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Yes, it's not guaranteed and life leads/remaining time are a factor. But why not do it when the opportunity presents itself? There's practically no downside to chicken blocking forever now and gaps do occur fairly often even against strong players. When you're blocking in the air, the only thing you need to worry about are crossup shenanigans and airthrows. Mixups are strongest when the opponent is grounded. Storm did this to every strider/doom team around, and it was a lot easier to get super meter for ouroboros than it is for Arakune to get curse meter for fever mode. It's also easier for Rachel to regen wind than it is for Arakune to build up curse meter. It's not like Rachel is great or anything in CS, but she is very capable of forcing Arakune to spend the majority of the time fighting her in gimp mode a.k.a. down to her level.
Skye Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 If the opportunity presents itself, then by all means. Rachel is very capable of forcing Arakune is play her game, it's no an absolute lock down either. With good evasion and the right clouds however, Rachel's game turns on her, of course that's only yet another variable.
feri Posted April 9, 2010 Posted April 9, 2010 Lobelia/pumpkin zoning has actually improved (vs some chars) from CT > CS due thanks to a drop in recovery time (it feels like it, I dont have frame data) to practically all of them and (to a minor extent) having access to sword iris at all times. And you all know what that matchup looked like in CT =) Being able to block (sooner) on the way down from a jump shot is really good (arakune cant snipe it as easily anymore nor can he trade with it). Also, the way Arakune's curse works makes it so that Rachel has to make a few errors (up from 1 in CT).
Alex073088 Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Lobelia/pumpkin zoning has actually improved (vs some chars) from CT > CS due thanks to a drop in recovery time (it feels like it, I dont have frame data) to practically all of them and (to a minor extent) having access to sword iris at all times. And you all know what that matchup looked like in CT =) Being able to block (sooner) on the way down from a jump shot is really good (arakune cant snipe it as easily anymore nor can he trade with it). Also, the way Arakune's curse works makes it so that Rachel has to make a few errors (up from 1 in CT). zoning was also nerfed, with pumpkin frog and wind. pumpkin covering spaces ur lobelias didnt. frog making your opponent jump, or if the opponent got in the would have to either grab u, jump away, hit rachel, or get hit by the frog on there recovery strings.And we all know bout the wind, znoing helped restored used wind from a far, once its used it takes much to long to come back
feri Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Alex, I dont think you read my post closely enough. Your stating zoning took a nerf overall (we dont really care about this info). If zoning vs Arakune is stronger but weaker vs the rest of the entire cast then who cares about what your saying? How does it apply specifically to the arakune matchup being discussed?
Alex073088 Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Alex, I dont think you read my post closely enough. Your stating zoning took a nerf overall (we dont really care about this info). If zoning vs Arakune is stronger but weaker vs the rest of the entire cast then who cares about what your saying? How does it apply specifically to the arakune matchup being discussed? your right it doesnt, sorry. i just thought i read it was improved upon to be greater then ct. In my honest opinion zoing meant more in ct, however now that i remember, frog takes out clouds you no longer able to summon a frog when need be and u are not able to kill set frog and make a new one at will no longer.so clouds would still be an issue would they not?
nekoken Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Lobelia/pumpkin zoning has actually improved (vs some chars) from CT > CS due thanks to a drop in recovery time (it feels like it, I dont have frame data) to practically all of them and (to a minor extent) having access to sword iris at all times. And you all know what that matchup looked like in CT =) Being able to block (sooner) on the way down from a jump shot is really good (arakune cant snipe it as easily anymore nor can he trade with it). Also, the way Arakune's curse works makes it so that Rachel has to make a few errors (up from 1 in CT). IIRC the B and C versions of lobelia were given more recovery. Or maybe that was only in one of the earlier loketests and changed back, but I highly doubt they were made faster. Personally, I think it's Ara's new curse system that plays a big part in why the matchup is even.
Spirit Juice Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 B and C Lobelias have 9 frames less recovery than the CT versions.
nekoken Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 B and C Lobelias have 9 frames less recovery than the CT versions. Oh :| In that case, I pretty much agree with feri
GenoWhirl Posted April 10, 2010 Posted April 10, 2010 Rush that shit down. Arakune setting up a cloud? YOU RUSH THROUGH THAT SHIT AND RAPE HIM *This is a joke post and I'm sorry*
kenn305 Posted April 15, 2010 Posted April 15, 2010 Makes sense. Since I'm so happy seeing my old buddy Haku so high on the list.... WOULD YOU LIKE TO USE CS STONE? *YES* What? HAKUMEN is evolving! HAKUMEN evolved from LOW TIER to HIGH TIER! HAKUMEN learned STAB! HAKUMEN learned BARRIER! HAKUMEN is trying to learn AWESOME. However, he has four moves already. What move should be forgotten? Poof! HAKUMEN forgot SUCK. And... HAKUMEN learned AWESOME! lol haha how come my cs stone is not working with my rachel lol
JinSaotome Posted April 15, 2010 Posted April 15, 2010 lol haha how come my cs stone is not working with my rachel lol It doesn't work on Rachel. According to my dad who works at Nintendo Arc System Works told me that you have to beat Arakune 100 times with Hakumen at CT tournaments and then go through Hakumen's storymode and you'll get a secret option to Yukikaze the truck in Oriental Town and underneath it you'll get the ~*Lobelia Stone*~ which makes Rachel S tier in CS.
A.X.I.S. Posted April 15, 2010 Posted April 15, 2010 This chart pleases me in so many ways. chart is more wrong than ass. Now no-one can complain that Nu / Lambda is broken! Rachel should get a huge buff in the console version. She went from being the best in CT to the worst in CS. =P rachel doesn't need a huge buff, just some to make her not suck.
smooshman Posted April 15, 2010 Posted April 15, 2010 chart is more wrong than ass. he plays Bang Shishigaymi
kilabeep3 Posted April 15, 2010 Posted April 15, 2010 honestly bang in cs is mindnubingly stupid now. 58 win streak at the arcade earlier last week....the only one to beat me out was kensou ( bang SBO player) and KID VIPER....both really really good players. on top of using a boarder lined broke character. and if you guys think bang is broke wait till you play kid vipers litchi.....makes you weep tears of blood.
Skye Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 and if you guys think bang is broke wait till you play kid vipers litchi.....makes you weep tears of blood. I thought he played Hazama.... Bang really just needs to have his proration values messed around with.
Irrsinn Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 and if you guys think bang is broke wait till you play kid vipers litchi.....makes you weep tears of blood. So you're saying that a lower character than bang is more broken than him, ok.
zeth07 Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 change bangs 5A back to CT property, bam! Oh you, what are you trying to start?
A.X.I.S. Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 Oh you, what are you trying to start? anothe 5A war... btw if you wanna lower bangs damage output then change the tech times on some of his moves. all his moves lead to 3k damage anyways.
rei-Scarred Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 Being a Bang main means nothing anymore. I was watching videos on youtube, and I see random Bangs no one's ever heard of play like shit yet never lose. It'd be cool if you know, the people who never played him in CT and are obviously tier whoring would lose every once in a while but fuck. I don't think I've seen a Bang lose in ages. Playing Bang is gonna be boring if it's impossible to lose.
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