BBCS2 FINAL SHOWDOWN: Loketest 5, Nov. 15th Discussion

[Hecatom]

Yeah not sure why you think I'm talking about punishing moves in regard to hitstop.

sorry i quoted you but it was mean to eirei

[eirei]

I'm pretty sure you should read my posts again if you were replying to me.

[Hecatom]

I'm pretty sure you should read my posts again if you were replying to me.

ok

Dude.

4B hits. Hitstop ensues. The first hit of 4B is blocked at this time. Nothing happens for 20f (let's use that example). Hence, you have 20f to move your lazy ass to a standing position, in addition to whatever gap there is between the 2 hits.

my problem is this, the way that you posted it leads to believe that you are implying that blocking an attack with 20f of hitstop, gives you 20f to do anything when its obvious that is not the case, the move can have 40f of hitstop if you want, but that doesnt mean anything if the attack is +2f on block

edit

snap you are talking about the overhead, then yeah in that case you are right, i should go to sleep -___-

Edited November 16, 2010 by Hecatom

[eirei]

the way that you posted it leads to believe that you are implying that blocking an attack with 20f of hitstop, gives you 20f to do anything

It doesn't, and I'm not.

But I'll tell you what I am going to do: I'm going to sleep. Right now. Hitstop or no hitstop.

[A.X.I.S.]

Bonus proration has been removed from almost all moves that had it. So, nothing will have more than 100% proration now.

Bonus proration? are they talking about moves like renka and tao's taunt not going over 100p1?

[LunaKage]

Bonus proration? are they talking about moves like renka and tao's taunt not going over 100p1?

Right moves, wrong idea.

Take Noel's 22C, it has a proration bonus of 120%, meaning once used, the move used after it(at least after 22C's initial use) will do 120% of its original damage(applied after P1 and P2 of course).

At least this is how I theorize it, not 100% sure myself, but I know it has nothing to do with P1 and P2, because 22C only has 100 P2.

[Cirno]

Seems like Ushi's awake, and is in Mizo no Kuchi again. More information soon, perhaps.

[Jewdo]

[edit] Please ignore. Thanks LunaKage.

Edited November 16, 2010 by Jewdo

[LunaKage]

Leftover from yesterday's blog. I believe this says Hakumen gets a free Magatama when he drive-counters a move. Please verify.

Pretty sure this was already discussed.

[Henaki]

テイガー強キャラ化確定くせー

[Vulcan422]

Established habit of strong character Teiga ー

Translated.

[farranpoison]

Translated.

Oh really? Care to tell us what that means?

[KayEff]

A better translation on Henaki's statement:

テイガー強キャラ化確定くせー

semi-lit. "Decision for strong character Tager"

And to try and make sense of it:

"Deciding to make Tager a good character"

Or something. Someone can verify for me.

[tofurr]

NVM THANKS KAYEFF.

[A.X.I.S.]

If they make tager strong then good by scrubby players hello scrubby tager mains.

[Henaki]

I took a shot at trying to translate it with a dictionary, and I got something like this, "Decided that Tager is one of the strongest characters."

Take that with a grain of salt till one of the good translators translates.

That is the most likely translation.

I highly doubt Tager is going to be strong, but the fact that he FEELS strong relative to the rest of the cast is a good sign that he might start off in top tier and falter down to mid, which is probably the best I could ask for.

Edit: Any basic character that appears strong early in a game GENERALLY will not stay that strong, primarily due to lack of ways to expand the character. This isn't really the case in more basic games where a character is straight up fundamentally powerful, but in an anime game, a top tier basic character generally will get worse as time goes on.

On that note: unless they were to remove 720, Tager should never, EVER be S tier. Ever.

Edited November 16, 2010 by Henaki

[KayEff]

And I get ignored in the long run

[tofurr]

;-;

[farranpoison]

So everyone's so nerfed that Tager appears to be strong?

And we thought that Tager would always stay low unless he was given a sledge break or something. Well, that's one way, I guess.

[huey253]

CS loketest bang was top tier...

[KayEff]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT

TAGER MATHCUP IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE ANNOYING

[Cirno]

New from Ushi:

カルル3CCHでダウン属性付加、6A多分無敵部分増えてる。5Bもなんか判定強くなったような

ライチ6D吹っ飛ばして壁バウンドするようです

[Spirit Juice]

STOP FUCKING ASKING "WHERE IS X CHARACTER'S CHANGES" OR I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU

[Cirno]

spirit juice where are george's changes he's so low tier right now w/ only ????? hp (

another from Ushi:

テイガーとはやってないけどゆーむら先生情報からかなりテイガー強いらしいです 6Aタメが以外と使えるそうな

[KayEff]

lit.

"Carl's 3C CH has 'down' property added. 6A probably invincible sections added. Can't decide if 5B got weaker (?)"

"Litchi's 6D's blows off to the wall, does bounce"

"Couldn't do Tager but Yuumura-sensei said from his knowledge that he got stronger. 6A is exception, stayed same and is useful (?)"

Probably means:

Carl

+ 3C is untechable (actually don't know what "down" means, those of you who did this before should know)

+ 6A probably has more invincible frames (from head attacks probably)

* 5B got something

Litchi

+ 6D wallbounces (not sure if it's a buff or nerf; I don't play Litchi after all)

Tager

YUUMURA SENSEI SAYS HE GOT BUFFED BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SPECIFICALLY DEEERRRRPPP

* Something about 6A

BAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH someone verify

Edited November 16, 2010 by KayEff