Osuna Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Thanks FlyingVe for expanding on why IB XYH 720 (as an anti air he seems to be implying?) is just a weird thing to say, how japan is using the moves, and that f.g is stupid. And anything else I forgot to mention. I mean there's some interesting things you can do with his changes, but I haven't heard one that isn't defeated every time by a single option. It might, in some cases, seal an option or two, but that doesn't mean ara doesn't get everything he needs. That's kinda the case for every tool Tager has ever had. Also, thanks to cake for trolling in defense of my Tager. I know you'd have trolled dacid anyway, but I appreciate the confidence in my Tager. Uh so... LK what did you think about....that...gameplay related...um. Arakune's f.g recurse and getting curse off ja and 5a. Do you think that we're over reacting because other characters aren't developed yet/need to learn how to block, or is it really as ridiculous as everyone says?
natearistata Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 >try to 6A Arakune >reaction shark fatal'd like a bitch >cursed >*tears* that's pretty much how I'm assuming that'll go. Or the Arakune is just like, lol, teleport 4 free if he can't get grounded in time theoretically it could work, but there's plenty more reasons why it won't. also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AseO8ERJ3fQ
Lord Knight Posted February 7, 2011 Author Posted February 7, 2011 Thanks FlyingVe for expanding on why IB XYH 720 (as an anti air he seems to be implying?) is just a weird thing to say, how japan is using the moves, and that f.g is stupid. And anything else I forgot to mention. I mean there's some interesting things you can do with his changes, but I haven't heard one that isn't defeated every time by a single option. It might, in some cases, seal an option or two, but that doesn't mean ara doesn't get everything he needs. That's kinda the case for every tool Tager has ever had. Also, thanks to cake for trolling in defense of my Tager. I know you'd have trolled dacid anyway, but I appreciate the confidence in my Tager. Uh so... LK what did you think about....that...gameplay related...um. Arakune's f.g recurse and getting curse off ja and 5a. Do you think that we're over reacting because other characters aren't developed yet/need to learn how to block, or is it really as ridiculous as everyone says? Actually f of g was something people just freaked out about. I hate Arakune, but I'm going to wait some more before commenting on him.
CakeWasBannedd Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 doesn't arakunes backdash have like ridiculous invincibility? why not just wait till they release the 6A and backdash for free?
Nakkiel Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 If you have the mind to backdash it, why not 2C it?
CakeWasBannedd Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 If you have the mind to backdash it, why not 2C it? well yeah that too
huey253 Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 you guys are smoking weed. tager's 6A will totally defeat arakune.
KayEff Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 dacid's analysis of the tager vs arakune matchup reminds me of the time he said that rachel's chair was a DP know what i'm saying
huey253 Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Tager's 6A is ass, huey. so you are smoking weed... hehe anyways back to the topic... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9MgbOkyuHY i'm having help defeating ragna. help me, i'm a lost boy
Dacidbro Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Hey it's really cute that all you guys take the time to troll me every time I post, but the shit I post is COMPLETELY reasonable. I never said 6A or XYH 720 is god, just that it gives another option to Tager. You're still going to have to read, hard, but that's obviously Tager's character intent from the start. Tager's comparative risk reward in CS2 is going to be staggeringly high compared to CS1, where it's kind of one wrong read you LOSE, INSTANTLY. Even if you're cursed in CS2, it's not the end of the match. And for the love of god play some defense if you're playing Tager, so you can scope out the player without getting raped fast (All of the best Tagers I've seen have that in common, they are extremely defensively capable) Anyway, like I said, good luck with the matchup, it might be hard. Maybe you'll catch a break this iteration. But for fucks sake don't write it off before YOU have even played it, please.
Skye Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 For the sake of argument, don't write it on before YOU have even played it.
Nini Heart Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 But for fucks sake don't write it off before YOU have even played it, please. Well don't say it got better before you've even played it when all Tager got is more gimmicks where as Kune gets 100% curse from 5A with 50 meter and better normals/blockstrings.
Dacidbro Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Educated guess optimism is uplifting and builds community Educated guess pessimism is destructive and tears down community
Nini Heart Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 What about not guessing and waiting for the game?
FlyingVe Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Posting dumb ideas about a character you don't play in a game you haven't played builds... um... community?
Nakkiel Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Educated guess optimism is uplifting and builds community Educated guess pessimism is destructive and tears down community Neither should be discussed, period.
Dacidbro Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Seriously, do you guys just sit around and wait for the best moment to make this site a depressing downcast place? Fuck off. The best way to improve is to fairly evaluate all options in extreme depth, even if they feel counter intuitive. Having a good base of ideas is a good thing, going into a newly balanced character. My ideas aren't hurting anyone, saying the matchup is bad and giving up is. Edited February 8, 2011 by Dacidbro
Nini Heart Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 I'm pretty sure false hope and blind optimism is worse than educated pessimism. And yeah, I guess the Tager players should be happy that they get to be bottom tier 3 games in a row and that one of their worse matchups gets some major buffs.
Dacidbro Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 See you just typed that in a way that is extraordinarily biased to make your argument sound better. It's called straw man, make me out to be some kind of completely uneducated dick to make it sound like you're the victor. Don't do that. It's not false hope, it's just hope. It's not blind optimism, it's educated optimism. Your educated pessimism is exactly that. So what's wrong with hope and educated optimism compared to educated pessimism? Mine maintains the future might be better, yours says you should just quit the game now because you have no faith in the developers anyway. Cool, see you later.
mAc Chaos Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Dacid just has a "can do" attitude. When Bang got nerfed, a lot of other Bangs were ready to hang themselves but he liked what he saw in the corner capabilities he had. He'd rather try and figure something out than just throw in the towel before the fight even begins. Of course, I agree with everyone that Tager is going to get raped. It is just history and precedent. :P It's not really being negative though or giving up so much as just recognizing fact. It's just par for the course. Also underestimating Arakune ever is a recipe for disaster. It's not like anyone ever goes into a fight against Arakune expecting to have a good match... except Nu players.
Dacidbro Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Well it's the difference between losing and winning. If a Tager player is willing to give up on the matchup before they have ever even played it, they've shot themselves in the foot mentally, and will never be competitive. Time to switch characters or man up.
Nini Heart Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 It's not biased. at all. 1. Someone who doesn't play Tager is shown how the options he believes will help make the matchup better are not as good as he believes by actual, decent Tager players 2. He is shown that Arakune got some important buffs where as Tager got "gimmicks". 3. He is shown all the japanese videos where japanese Tagers get blown up by Kune's and saysimplies the japanese don't know how to use tager's new tools. Anyways you're trying too hard to be optimistic. We'll see when the game lands. Theory fighter on a game we don't have yet is not leading to anything productive. And finally, believing it's gonna be harder is not akin to giving up.
killionaire Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 To be fair to all parties involved, optimism/pessimism is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the counterargument.
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